[openstack-tc] [Fwd: Re: [Foundation Board] [Fwd: [OpenStack-DefCore] Engaging with the TC]]
markmc at redhat.com
Wed Jan 29 17:18:53 UTC 2014
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> From: Joshua McKenty <joshua at pistoncloud.com>
> To: Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com>
> Cc: <foundation-board at lists.openstack.org> mailing list
> <foundation-board at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation Board] [Fwd: [OpenStack-DefCore] Engaging
> with the TC]
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:09:51 -0800
> The case is more that joint sessions are a requirement in the bylaws.
> 1. I think we should definitely aim for a *short* joint session (2
> hours, tops)
> 2. I would propose we use a doodle poll for scheduling (with many
> dozen participants, it seems infeasible to do it any other way).
> I’m happy to collaborate on an agenda, and I threw an etherpad page up
> for that purpose
> 3. Absolutely - I have to admit to being out of the loop on the fact
> that TC members were planning on attending in HK, but we definitely
> need enough seating for all of the TC and Board to convene.
> 4. I definitely think of this as a joint session, and I would suggest
> that either Thierry and Alan could co-chair, or perhaps that having
> Jonathan chair would be simplest. I don’t believe there’s any
> mechanism for joint voting - I think it’s a forum for discussion and
> information sharing, and both the TC and Board can hold any required
> votes in their own meetings afterwards. Equally, there would be no
> Quorum requirements (although if we can’t round up at least 50% of
> each body, we’ve probably failed).
> My two cents. Oh, and I would appreciate if you could forward this to
> the TC list.
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:42 AM, Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com>
> > Hey
> > Josh makes a case that a meeting between the board and TC is needed.
> > If it's to be an in-person meeting, then the Atlanta our next
> > opportunity.
> > However, to make it work, I think we need to:
> > 1) Make a decision very quickly - I expect TC members will be
> > making
> > travel plans already and many may be intending to arrive on the
> > evening of May 11.
> > 2) Decide on a concrete agenda and schedule - what day and time
> > would
> > we like this joint session, how long should it run and what
> > topic(s) do we wish to discuss?
> > 3) Make this a meeting between peers - e.g. if this is part of the
> > board meeting, then we need proper seating arrangements so that
> > TC
> > members aren't squashing in or sitting down the back in the
> > cheap
> > seats
> > 4) Sort out some procedural questions in advance - e.g. is this a
> > board meeting with TC members as invited guests or a joint
> > session?
> > What constitutes TC and board quorum? Who will chair? Will any
> > votes be taken? - I think these should be straightforward to
> > figure
> > out, but I wouldn't want to waste time on the day debating them.
> > Thanks,
> > Mark.
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > From: Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com>
> > > Reply-to: Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com>
> > > To: defcore-committee at lists.openstack.org
> > > Subject: [OpenStack-DefCore] Engaging with the TC
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:07:48 +0000
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I couldn't make the last DefCore meeting because I was still on
> > > vacation
> > > but, in any case, if I wasn't on vacation I would have been at the
> > > TC
> > > meeting scheduled at the same time.
> > >
> > > As a more constructive suggestion than the board firing the TC,
> > > how
> > > about the defcore committee join the TC at its next IRC meeting to
> > > invite feedback on the draft summary? i.e. just like we're
> > > apparently
> > > doing with George Reese and Andrew Clay Shafer?
> > >
> > > The only attempt I've noticed the board make to have a joint
> > > Board/TC
> > > meeting is to invite at short notice the TC to the Board meeting
> > > in
> > > Portland. AFAIR when Thierry and Michael did turn up, the only
> > > thing we
> > > discussed is how to organize a joint meeting. When some TC
> > > members
> > > joined the board meeting in Hong Kong, they were relegated to the
> > > cheap
> > > seats at the back.
> > >
> > > OTOH it's entirely trivial to have members of the board join the
> > > TC
> > > meeting. Unlike board meetings, the TC meeting is held at a
> > > predictable
> > > time every week, anyone can propose items for the agenda and we
> > > have an
> > > open floor at the end. It's worth a try, at least.
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > >  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH4Jw5NdwSs&t=3410
> > >  -
> > > http://blogs.gnome.org/markmc/2013/05/25/april-14th-openstack-foundation-board-meeting/
> > >
> > >
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