<div dir="ltr">I think Doug has answered most of the answers brilliantly and I will just cut some of the cases that are important from my own perspective.<div><br></div><div>@Jeremy : </div><div>The purpose of the SIG is try to solve a much bigger problem than the small fixes/padding/trolling whatever names we call them. </div><div><br></div><div>But let me once again double down on the padding issue one last time coz it disheartens me very much that some of the tone in that thread somehow treat us as the agitators who vile people. </div><div><br></div><div>I could categorically and unequivocally say it is not one of the motivations, but the sole motivation behind what Matt raised in that thread. Evidence ? Check out the screen capture I did on the abandoned patches right after we warn the local group to stop this[0]. The image is in low res but anyone could see how many small patches were proposed to how many projects. I have counted more than 300 this kind of small patches abandoned in a mass exodus that day.</div><div><br></div><div>And thing is that this is not new. We encountered this epic meltdown[1] last year and it was so huge of en event that OSCAR, one of the biggest Chinese open source associations, published an manifesto[2] on advocating good contributions to the OpenStack community with a great number of local companies co-sign .We even experienced similar things in other communities[3] with similar patterns. </div><div><br></div><div>So it is not people like us making fuss about a trivial issue, or that we are the horrible intolerant ones that thinks people in the worst ways. We can call it what it is because we know of first hand knowledge.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>If the governance body of the community, be it TC or Board or others, continue to fail to adopt an effective method on this issue, two outcomes will most likely happen: (1) good quality devs will be driven away by t<font color="#000000">he <span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif">Gresham's Law[4] and (2) things will start to get worse, the community will be bogged down with more costly trolling activities than [1].</span></font></div><div><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">The First Contact SIG proposed by Doug and Ildiko is most reasonable and actionable solution I could envision so far.</font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">@Thierry:</font></span></div><div><font color="#000000" style=""><font face="Roboto, arial, sans-serif">Yes the mentors are far from organized and numerically enough, for example we barely feel its existence in China. The mentors cannot be some one that is only reachable via IRC or at the summit. It should be proper-trained local developers that could provide f2f offline help. That is why the local chapter leads are so important in this matter. They are the real and flesh that first-comers could come to instead of testing waters via any strange activities.</font></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>[0]<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I3SIn4D9av7m8kZYM_rgm56UO9s8Sq-oE324Kv_svnM/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I3SIn4D9av7m8kZYM_rgm56UO9s8Sq-oE324Kv_svnM/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div>[1]<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109294.html">http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109294.html</a></div><div>[2]<a href="http://www.sohu.com/a/126600482_610730">http://www.sohu.com/a/126600482_610730</a></div><div>[3]<a href="https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2016-August/012305.html">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2016-August/012305.html</a></div><div>[4]<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Doug Hellmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-09-25 16:51:28 +0100:<br>
<div><div class="h5">> Zhipeng Huang wrote:<br>
> > [...]<br>
> > *Goals*:<br>
> > 1. To serve as the first contact point when project develop team finding<br>
> > something extraordinary.<br>
> > 2. To serve as the first contact point for local community to reach out<br>
> > to the dev community, whether it is first-comer onboarding, language<br>
> > translation issue, culture issue, etc.<br>
> > 3. To enable groups like Upstream Institute to maximize their<br>
> > capabilities on helping individuals, especially first-comers.<br>
> > 4. To enable local chapters could get a direct line with the dev<br>
> > community (not the foundation governance layer since we already have<br>
> > many links on that level) without involvement of more non-tech interest<br>
> > parties.<br>
> > 5 To work with Linux Foundation CHAOSS program on project merit<br>
> > identification.<br>
> > [...]<br>
> Frankly, I'm wondering how much of these issues would be solved (and<br>
> then some) by encouraging more *mentoring*. What people need (whether<br>
> they come from different cultures, or they come with only little time to<br>
> dedicate to the project) is a direct contact with a friendly human<br>
> helping them to figure it out.<br>
><br>
> We have always had mentors in OpenStack under one form or another.<br>
> Should we reinvigorate that effort ? Not completely sure a SIG is the<br>
> best format for that (since it's more of a helpdesk thing than a group<br>
> newcomers would join for the long-term).<br>
><br>
<br>
</div></div>Well, my idea for this group was that it was specifically intended to<br>
help newcomers find where to go next. Part of that might be pairing them<br>
with a mentor of some sort. I think actually managing a mentoring<br>
program is probably a large enough responsibility that it deserves its<br>
own group (SIG, WG, whatever).<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Doug<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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