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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/22/2014 11:29 AM, Clark, Robert
      Graham wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As
            Bryan mentioned already, a user with access to production
            systems, particularly one with sudo/root access – is in an
            incredibly privileged position. On its own this is an
            auditing issue but it’s a recognised one. In most
            deployments subject to auditing (i.e. production) it’s
            likely that compensating controls such as gated access, user
            logging, MAC etc. are all in place to control the risk.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s
            a messy problem to deal with. I’ve seen approaches where the
            process and configuration file are both owned by an elevated
            user, once the process has loaded the configuration file it
            drops privs and can no longer read the file, this can be
            useful as a mechanism for avoiding directory traversal in
            web services etc I’m not sure how viable an approach this
            would be with something like Swift.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-Rob</span></p>
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    <br>
    I'd like to see a concerted effort to allowing all servcie to get
    keystone tokens with either Kerberos (keytabs) or X509 Client
    certificates.<br>
    <br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
                  lang="EN-US"> Bryan D. Payne [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bdpayne@acm.org">mailto:bdpayne@acm.org</a>]
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2014 01:16<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Adam Lawson<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:openstack-security@lists.openstack.org">openstack-security@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openstack-security] Credentials
                  in clear text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">This is fair.  I'm not personally
              familiar with Swift, so I will let others chime in on
              that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">-bryan<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Adam
                Lawson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:alawson@aqorn.com" target="_blank">alawson@aqorn.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Preventing access to passwords
                    for the purpose of preventing unauthorized access to
                    data as another way I look at it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
                                    style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
                                    Adam Lawson</span></i></b><span
                                style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">AQORN,
                                  Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">427
                                  North Tatnall Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Ste.
                                  58461<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Wilmington,
                                  Delaware 19801-2230<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Toll-free:
                                  (844) 4-AQORN-NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Direct:
                                </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%2B1%20%28302%29%20268-6914"
                                  target="_blank"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">+1
                                    (302) 268-6914</span></a><span
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at
                          4:46 PM, Adam Lawson <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:alawson@aqorn.com"
                            target="_blank">alawson@aqorn.com</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">My initial concern is
                              specific to Swift and gaining global
                              access to all data by virtue of having
                              access to a single proxy node. It seems
                              more than access to system resources but a
                              flaw in how data is controlled (and
                              passwords are controlled).<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
                                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
                                              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
                                              Adam Lawson</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">AQORN,
                                            Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">427
                                            North Tatnall Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Ste.
                                            58461<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Wilmington,
                                            Delaware 19801-2230<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Toll-free:
                                            (844) 4-AQORN-NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Direct:
                                          </span><a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="tel:%2B1%20%28302%29%20268-6914"
                                            target="_blank"><span
                                              style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">+1
                                              (302) 268-6914</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><img
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          id="_x0000_i1026"
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alt="http://www.aqorn.com/images/logo.png" height="49" border="0"
                                          width="120"></span><span
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 21,
                                    2014 at 4:41 PM, Bryan D. Payne <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:bdpayne@acm.org"
                                      target="_blank">bdpayne@acm.org</a>>
                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <blockquote
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">This would be
                                        a nice hardening step, but if
                                        you have sudo on the box there's
                                        a lot of things you can do see.
                                         This is just the tip of the
                                        iceberg.  For example, access to
                                        the backend db?  Access to
                                        traffic on the network / unix
                                        sockets / etc?  Access to logs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">I am not
                                          aware of any current efforts
                                          to mask this information from
                                          the config files.  But that
                                          doesn't mean it's not
                                          happening.  If someone is
                                          aware of such an effort, I'd
                                          certainly be interested in
                                          learning more about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">-bryan<o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon,
                                              Apr 21, 2014 at 4:26 PM,
                                              Adam Lawson <<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:alawson@aqorn.com"
                                                target="_blank">alawson@aqorn.com</a>>
                                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Have
                                                  .conf files containing
                                                  credentials and tokens
                                                  been addressed or
                                                  being addressed? Seems
                                                  there are a lot of
                                                  keys to the kingdom
                                                  clearly visible to
                                                  staff who have access
                                                  to systems for
                                                  day-to-day admin work
                                                  but don't/shouldn't be
                                                  able to view them. If
                                                  they have sudo access,
                                                  they have everything
                                                  they need to get where
                                                  they don't belong.
                                                  Really strikes me as
                                                  an obvious audit
                                                  issue...<span
                                                    style="color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#888888"><br clear="all">
                                                        <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888"><br>
                                                          Adam Lawson</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">AQORN,
                                                          Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">427
                                                          North Tatnall
                                                          Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Ste.
                                                          58461<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Wilmington,
                                                          Delaware
                                                          19801-2230<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Toll-free:
                                                          (844)
                                                          4-AQORN-NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666">Direct:
                                                          </span><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1%20%28302%29%20268-6914" target="_blank"><span
                                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">+1
                                                          (302) 268-6914</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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alt="http://www.aqorn.com/images/logo.png" height="49" border="0"
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                                              href="mailto:Openstack-security@lists.openstack.org"
                                              target="_blank">Openstack-security@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
                                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-security"
                                              target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-security</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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