[Openstack-personas] Persona meeting in Austin

Kruithof, Piet pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
Thu Aug 27 19:19:18 UTC 2015


Good question.   Does anyone know if it’s even possible to migrate users?

Dave,

Do you mind distributing your deck on personas?  I seem to recall you
presenting them at an OpenStack summit a few years back.

Piet


Piet Kruithof
Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
PTL, OpenStack UX project


"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
wrong.”

H L Menken





On 8/27/15, 1:02 PM, "Dave Neary" <dneary at redhat.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I for one would like to continue following the discussion - if the list
>name changes, would you re-subscribe persona list members automatically?
>
>Thanks,
>Dave.
>
>On 08/27/2015 01:23 PM, Ju Lim wrote:
>> +1 to having an OpenStack UX mailing list, and then having something
>> [$subject] in the email reference for the topic that is being discussed,
>> much like the openstack-dev mailing list.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ju
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Shamail <itzshamail at gmail.com
>> <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     If personas will be maintained by the UX team moving forward then I
>>     think it makes sense to collapse the ML.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Shamail
>>
>>
>>
>>      > On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Kruithof, Piet
>>     <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>      >
>>      > One other question and then I’ll stop…
>>      >
>>      > Should we remove the OpenStack personas email list and create a
>>     general UX
>>      > email list?
>>      >
>>      > Piet
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > Piet Kruithof
>>      > Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      > PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      > wrong.”
>>      >
>>      > H L Menken
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >> On 8/27/15, 9:27 AM, "Kruithof, Piet"
>>     <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>      >>
>>      >> Apologies - the question was intended for Aminah.
>>      >>
>>      >> MustŠgetŠcoffee...
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> Piet Kruithof
>>      >> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >> wrong.²
>>      >>
>>      >> H L Menken
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>> On 8/27/15, 9:23 AM, "Kruithof, Piet"
>>     <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>
>>     wrote:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> BTW.  Hayat (Intel Open Source UX) is interested in conducting
>>     a series
>>      >>> of interviews to understand the installation experience for
>>     OpenStack.
>>      >>> Where you or someone in your organization interested in
>>     participating?  I
>>      >>> imagine the interview would last no more than an hour.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Cheers,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >>> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>>
>>      >>> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >>> wrong.²
>>      >>>
>>      >>> H L Menken
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: "Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com
>>     
>><mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com><mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com
>>     <mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com>>"
>>      >>> <Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com
>>     
>><mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com><mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com
>>     <mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com>>>
>>      >>> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM
>>      >>> To: "julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>"
>>      >>> <julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>>, Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>
>>      >>> Cc: "itzshamail at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com><mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>>"
>>      >>> <itzshamail at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com><mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>>>,
>>      >>> "lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>"
>>      >>> <lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>,
>>      >>> "lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>"
>>      >>> <lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>>,
>>      >>> "gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>"
>>      >>> <gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>,
>>      >>> "hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>"
>>      >>> <hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>,
>>      >>> "jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>"
>>      >>> <jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>>,
>>      >>> "sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>>"
>>      >>> <sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>>>,
>>      >>> "openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org
>>     
>><mailto:openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org><mailto:openstack-personas
>>@lists.o
>>     <mailto:openstack-personas at lists.o>
>>      >>> p
>>      >>> enstack.org <http://enstack.org>>"
>>      >>> <openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org
>>     
>><mailto:openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org><mailto:openstack-personas
>>@lists.o
>>     <mailto:openstack-personas at lists.o>
>>      >>> p
>>      >>> enstack.org <http://enstack.org>>>
>>      >>> Subject: RE: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks, yes, please include me.  MUCH appreciated!
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Aminah Nailor
>>      >>> Phone 404.973.7729 <tel:404.973.7729>
>>      >>> Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com
>>     
>><mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com><mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com
>>     <mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: Ju Lim [mailto:julim at redhat.com
>><mailto:julim at redhat.com>]
>>      >>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:14 AM
>>      >>> To: Kruithof, Piet
>>      >>> Cc: Shamail Tahir; Liz Blanchard; Stan Haozhe Li; Greg
>>     Hintermeister;
>>      >>> Benchenaa, Hayat; Jeffrey A Calcaterra; Serena Doyle;
>>      >>> openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org
>>     
>><mailto:openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org><mailto:openstack-personas
>>@lists.op
>>     <mailto:openstack-personas at lists.op>
>>      >>> e
>>      >>> nstack.org <http://nstack.org>>; Nailor, Aminah
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Including Aminah Nailor as she has expressed interest in
>>     helping in this
>>      >>> effort as well as the OpenStack Personas mailing list so that
>>     others are
>>      >>> aware of this effort and can chime in if they wish to
>>contribute.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks,
>>      >>> Ju
>>      >>>
>>      >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Kruithof, Piet
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>> wrote:
>>      >>> Hiya,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> My manager still needs to review (scrub) the HP cloud roles
>>     document.
>>      >>> However, I did want to point yo at some additional resources:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Personas developed by the UX working group (in progress,
>>draft):
>>      >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Personas
>>      >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PersonaPotentialRoles
>>      >>>
>>      >>> One of the approaches was to organize the personas as
>>     ecosystems that
>>      >>> shape user roles and goals.  This was driven by one of the
>>     findings that
>>      >>> attitudes about OpenStack vary significantly based on the type
>>of
>>      >>> business.
>>      >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Personas
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Data collected from the persona interviews about a year ago:
>>      >>>
>>     
>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CslXeXMUDNv1DsBEVSZWJbGmPnejJW-Pz
>>      >>> k
>>      >>> IWege5-ZA/edit?usp=sharing
>>      >>>
>>      >>> A couple of other things.  We could potentially decide that
>>     there is
>>      >>> enough data and its just a matter of refining and creating a
>>     presentation
>>      >>> around the personas.  If that¹s the case, we could consider
>>     pivoting and
>>      >>> using the time in Austin as a strategy session for community UX
>>     work.
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Cheers,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >>> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>>
>>      >>> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >>> wrong.²
>>      >>>
>>      >>> H L Menken
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: Shamail Tahir
>>      >>> <itzshamail at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com><mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>><mailto:itzshamail at gmai
>>     <mailto:itzshamail at gmai>
>>      >>> l
>>      >>> .com<mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com
>><mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>>>>
>>      >>> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 9:30 PM
>>      >>> To: Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>      >>> Cc: Liz Blanchard
>>      >>> <lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>><mailto:lsurette at redhat.c
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.c>
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> m<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>>,
>>     Ju Lim
>>      >>> <julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> julim at redhat.com <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>>>, Stan Haozhe Li
>>      >>> <lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at u <mailto:lih at u>
>>      >>> s
>>      >>> .ibm.com <http://ibm.com>>>>, Greg Hintermeister
>>      >>> <gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> gregh at us.ibm.com <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>>, "Benchenaa,
>>Hayat"
>>      >>> <hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>><mailto:hayat <mailto:hayat>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>>, Jeffrey A
>>      >>> Calcaterra
>>      >>> <jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.c
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.c>
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> m<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>>>,
>>     Serena Doyle
>>      >>> <sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mai
>>      >>> l
>>      >>> to:sdoyle at redhat.com <mailto:to%3Asdoyle at redhat.com>>>>
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hi everyone,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks for letting me participate in this working session.
>>     Piet and I
>>      >>> met at the operators summit (during the product WG session) and
>>     connected
>>      >>> on this topic since the Product WG is writing user stories to
>>     discuss
>>      >>> features/functionality.  As a part of the user story, we have
>>     to specify
>>      >>> actors/personas and, currently, we have not defined any
>>     standardized
>>      >>> personas.  I look forward to working with this team and being
>>     able to
>>      >>> share the work done here with the Product WG team.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> I will most likely have to attend remotely but I will try my
>>     best to be
>>      >>> there in person if possible.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Here is a sample user story currently in our repository:
>>      >>>
>>     
>>https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stor
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> es/draft/rollingupgrades.rst
>>      >>>
>>      >>> --
>>      >>> Thanks,
>>      >>> Shamail Tahir
>>      >>> t: @ShamailXD
>>      >>> tz: Eastern Time
>>      >>>
>>      >>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Kruithof, Piet
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>     wrote:
>>      >>> As an aside,  I went ahead and scrubbed HP¹s cloud roles
>>     document but
>>      >>> still need to have my manager review it.  Hopefully by end of
>>week.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >>> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>>
>>      >>> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >>> wrong.²
>>      >>>
>>      >>> H L Menken
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: Liz Blanchard
>>      >>> <lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>><mailto:lsurette at redhat.c
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.c>
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> m<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>>
>>      >>> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 11:06 AM
>>      >>> To: Ju Lim
>>      >>> <julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> julim at redhat.com <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>>>
>>      >>> Cc: Stan Haozhe Li
>>      >>> <lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at u <mailto:lih at u>
>>      >>> s
>>      >>> .ibm.com <http://ibm.com>>>>, Greg Hintermeister
>>      >>> <gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> gregh at us.ibm.com <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>>, "Benchenaa,
>>Hayat"
>>      >>> <hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>><mailto:hayat <mailto:hayat>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>>, Jeffrey A
>>      >>> Calcaterra
>>      >>> <jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.c
>>     <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.c>
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> m<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com <mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>>>,
>>     Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>,
>>     Serena
>>      >>> Doyle
>>      >>> <sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mai
>>      >>> l
>>      >>> to:sdoyle at redhat.com <mailto:to%3Asdoyle at redhat.com>>>>
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hi all,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks for including me in the conversation. I won't be able to
>>     travel
>>      >>> this year so I won't be able to attend this in person
>>     unfortunately. I
>>      >>> know that F2F is much preferred for these types of activities,
>>     so I look
>>      >>> forward to hearing how it goes and hope to be able to learn
>>     from the work
>>      >>> you all do and apply it while designing!
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Best,
>>      >>> Liz
>>      >>>
>>      >>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ju Lim
>>      >>> <julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> julim at redhat.com <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>>> wrote:
>>      >>> Hi Stan et al:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> I agree F2F is preferable; however, with the upcoming OpenStack
>>     Summit in
>>      >>> Tokyo, I'm trying to reduce traveling that month (as it puts a
>>     lot of
>>      >>> burden on my family).
>>      >>>
>>      >>> That being said, I'd be happy to participate and collaborate
>>     remotely.
>>      >>> Additionally, we might be able to get more participation if we
>>     provide
>>      >>> remote collaboration capabilities -- if we're interested in
>>     additional
>>      >>> folks joining in this effort.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks,
>>      >>> Ju
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Stan Haozhe Li
>>      >>> <lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at u <mailto:lih at u>
>>      >>> s
>>      >>> .ibm.com <http://ibm.com>>>> wrote:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hi Ju,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Face to face collaboration would be ideal as we have
>>     collaborative spaces
>>      >>> designed for design collaborations.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> But we can also use tools to facilitate remote collaboration,
>>like
>>      >>> Mura.ly for post-it sessions, Ziggy Cameras to project sketches
>>     over
>>      >>> video streams, etc.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> -Stan
>>      >>>
>>      >>> [Inactive hide details for Ju Lim ---08/26/2015 10:34:59
>>     AM---Hi Piet:
>>      >>> I'm indifferent about the dates other than it should be w]Ju
>>Lim
>>      >>> ---08/26/2015 10:34:59 AM---Hi Piet: I'm indifferent about the
>>     dates
>>      >>> other than it should be way before the
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: Ju Lim
>>      >>> <julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> julim at redhat.com <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>>>
>>      >>> To: "Kruithof, Piet"
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>      >>> Cc: Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, Greg
>>      >>> Hintermeister/Rochester/IBM at IBMUS, Jeffrey A
>>      >>> Calcaterra/Raleigh/IBM at IBMUS, Liz Blanchard
>>      >>> <lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>><mailto:lsurette at redhat.c
>>     <mailto:lsurette at redhat.c>
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> m<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com <mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>>,
>>     Serena Doyle
>>      >>> <sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mai
>>      >>> l
>>      >>> to:sdoyle at redhat.com <mailto:to%3Asdoyle at redhat.com>>>>,
>>     "Benchenaa, Hayat"
>>      >>> <hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>><mailto:hayat <mailto:hayat>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com
>>     <mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>>
>>      >>> Date: 08/26/2015 10:34 AM
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>> ________________________________
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hi Piet:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> I'm indifferent about the dates other than it should be way
>>     before the
>>      >>> Tokyo Summit.  I'm not sure about the travel but can definitely
>>     do it
>>      >>> remotely via video conferencing like last time.  Any thoughts
>>about
>>      >>> remote participation?
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thoughts?
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks,
>>      >>> Ju
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Kruithof, Piet
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>     wrote:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Ccing a few folks (who may be attending)
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Ju, Liz, Jeff, Serena and Hyat,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> See below.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> The meeting will be in Austin.  Do you have a preference?  I
>>     would like
>>      >>> to do Option #3.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >>> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>>
>>      >>> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >>> wrong.²
>>      >>>
>>      >>> H L Menken
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: Stan Haozhe Li
>>      >>> <lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at u <mailto:lih at u>
>>      >>> s
>>      >>> .ibm.com <http://ibm.com>>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm <mailto:lih at us.ibm>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>>>>
>>      >>> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 8:54 AM
>>      >>> To: Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>><mailto:pie
>>     <mailto:pie>
>>      >>> t
>>      >>> er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pieter <mailto:pieter>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>>
>>      >>> Cc: Greg Hintermeister
>>      >>> <gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailt
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> :gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>>>
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> It's actually 5th and 6th of October instead of 2nd and 3rd.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> A couple options are:
>>      >>>
>>      >>> 1. Keep the workshop to be 2 days, and stay late during these
>>     two days.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> 2. We can schedule the workshop from 4th to 6th, so that we
>>     have three
>>      >>> days, but this would require people to come on Sunday.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> 3. We can use the collaborative space on 5th and 6th, and use a
>>     different
>>      >>> space on 7th, but this would require we move all artifacts
>>     generated in
>>      >>> the workshop late on 6th.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> -Stan
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> [Inactive hide details for "Kruithof, Piet" ---08/25/2015
>>08:17:08
>>      >>> PM---What do you think?  I¹m kind of torn because we may
>>     nee]"Kruithof,
>>      >>> Piet" ---08/25/2015 08:17:08 PM---What do you think?  I¹m kind
>>     of torn
>>      >>> because we may need more than two days to work on the personas.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: "Kruithof, Piet"
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>><mailto:pie
>>     <mailto:pie>
>>      >>> t
>>      >>> er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pieter <mailto:pieter>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>>
>>      >>> To: Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM at IBMUS
>>      >>> Cc: Greg Hintermeister/Rochester/IBM at IBMUS
>>      >>> Date: 08/25/2015 08:17 PM
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>> ________________________________
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> What do you think?  I¹m kind of torn because we may need more
>>     than two
>>      >>> days to work on the personas.  However, the 12-14th is a bit
>>     close to the
>>      >>> summit and won¹t leave us a lot of time to prepare the
>>personas.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >>> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>>
>>      >>> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >>> wrong.²
>>      >>>
>>      >>> H L Menken
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: Stan Haozhe Li
>>      >>> <lih at us.ibm.com <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at u <mailto:lih at u>
>>      >>> s
>>      >>> .ibm.com <http://ibm.com>>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm <mailto:lih at us.ibm>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>
>>      >>> <
>>      >>> mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>>>>
>>      >>> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 2:07 PM
>>      >>> To: Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>><mailto:pie
>>     <mailto:pie>
>>      >>> t
>>      >>> er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pieter <mailto:pieter>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>><mailto:pieter
>><mailto:pieter>.
>>      >>> c
>>      >>> .kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pieter.c.k
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.k>
>>      >>> r
>>      >>> uithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:uithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>>
>>      >>> Cc: Greg Hintermeister
>>      >>> <gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto
>>      >>> :
>>      >>> gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailt
>>      >>> o
>>      >>> :gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mail
>>      >>> t
>>      >>> o:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:o%3Agregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com
>>     <mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>>>
>>      >>> Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hi Piet,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Thanks for reaching out, I was just about to email you on this.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> I've been trying to secure rooms for the persona workshop, and
>>     initially
>>      >>> I try to book the collaborative spaces with movable whiteboards
>>     that we
>>      >>> have in the design studio. However, due to limited availability
>>     and vast
>>      >>> demand, the earliest days these spaces would be available are:
>>     2nd and
>>      >>> 3rd October and 12 to 14 October.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Would these two times work?
>>      >>>
>>      >>> I'm still looking for rooms at other buildings that might be
>>     available
>>      >>> earlier, but I think these design spaces are ideal for a
>>persona
>>      >>> workshop.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> -Stan
>>      >>>
>>      >>> [Inactive hide details for "Kruithof, Piet" ---08/25/2015
>>02:54:26
>>      >>> PM---Hi Stan | Hi Greg, Hope all is well.]"Kruithof, Piet"
>>     ---08/25/2015
>>      >>> 02:54:26 PM---Hi Stan | Hi Greg, Hope all is well.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> From: "Kruithof, Piet"
>>      >>> <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:p <mailto:p>
>>      >>> i
>>      >>> eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     
>><mailto:eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>><mailto:pie
>>     <mailto:pie>
>>      >>> t
>>      >>> er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pieter <mailto:pieter>
>>      >>> .
>>      >>> c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>><mailto:pieter 
>><mailto:pieter>.
>>      >>> c
>>      >>> .kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pieter.c.k
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.k>
>>      >>> r
>>      >>> uithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:uithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com
>>     <mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>>
>>      >>> To: Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, Greg
>>      >>> Hintermeister/Rochester/IBM at IBMUS
>>      >>> Date: 08/25/2015 02:54 PM
>>      >>> Subject: Persona meeting in Austin
>>      >>>
>>      >>> ________________________________
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hi Stan | Hi Greg,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Hope all is well.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> I was wondering whether you have thought about the proposed 
>>persona
>>      >>> workshop.  Where you still interested in hosting in Austin?  If
>>     so, what
>>      >>> dates did you have in mind?
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Piet Kruithof
>>      >>> Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>      >>> PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>      >>>
>>      >>> "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
>>     neat and
>>      >>> wrong.²
>>      >>>
>>      >>> H L Menken
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> [attachment "graycol.gif" deleted by Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM]
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> --
>>      >>> Ju Lim
>>      >>> Red Hat
>>      >>> Office:
>>      >>> 978-399-0422 <tel:978-399-0422><tel:978-399-0422
>>     <tel:978-399-0422>><tel:978-399-0422
>>     <tel:978-399-0422><tel:978-399-0422 <tel:978-399-0422>>>
>>      >>> Mobile:
>>      >>> 781-507-1323 <tel:781-507-1323><tel:781-507-1323
>>     <tel:781-507-1323>><tel:781-507-1323
>>     <tel:781-507-1323><tel:781-507-1323 <tel:781-507-1323>>>
>>      >>> Email:
>>      >>> julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:
>>      >>> j
>>      >>> ulim at redhat.com <mailto:ulim at redhat.com>>>
>>      >>> IRC: julim
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> --
>>      >>> Ju Lim
>>      >>> Red Hat
>>      >>> Office:
>>      >>> 978-399-0422 <tel:978-399-0422><tel:978-399-0422
>>     <tel:978-399-0422>><tel:978-399-0422
>>     <tel:978-399-0422><tel:978-399-0422>>
>>      >>> Mobile:
>>      >>> 
>>781-507-1323<tel:781-507-1323><tel:781-507-1323<tel:781-507-1323>>
>>      >>> Email:
>>      >>> julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:
>>      >>> j
>>      >>> ulim at redhat.com <mailto:ulim at redhat.com>>>
>>      >>> IRC: julim
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> --
>>      >>> Ju Lim
>>      >>> Red Hat
>>      >>> Office: 978-399-0422
>>      >>> Mobile: 781-507-1323
>>      >>> Email: julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com
>>     <mailto:julim at redhat.com>>
>>      >>> IRC: julim
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> _______________________________________________
>>      >>> openstack-personas mailing list
>>      >>> openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org
>>     <mailto:openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org>
>>      >>>
>>     
>>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-personas
>>      >
>>      > _______________________________________________
>>      > openstack-personas mailing list
>>      > openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org
>>     <mailto:openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org>
>>      >
>>     
>>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-personas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ju Lim
>> Red Hat
>> Office: 978-399-0422
>> Mobile: 781-507-1323
>> Email: julim at redhat.com <mailto:julim at redhat.com>
>> IRC: julim
>>
>>
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