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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey folks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just wanted to raise your awareness of a forum session and a working session on Log Messages that is happening during the Boston Summit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is the link to the etherpad for these sessions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-log-messages">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-log-messages</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We’ve been going around in circles on some details of the log messages for years, and Doug Hellmann has graciously stepped up to try and wrestle this beast into submissions. So, besides giving him a warm round of applause, let’s give him
(and the small cadre of folks working with him on this) our respectful interactions, comments, concerns, high fives, etc. and turn up to the sessions to get this spec implementable in the here and now.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please add your comments, topics, pre forum discussions, etc. on the etherpad so that we remember to review and discuss them in the sessions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks and see you soon!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--Rocky<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As reference, here is Doug’s email [1] advertising the spec:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">I am looking for some feedback on two new proposals to add IDs to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">log messages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">The tl;dr is that we’ve been talking about adding unique IDs to log<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">messages for 5 years. I myself am still not 100% convinced the idea<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">is useful, but I would like us to either do it or definitively say<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">we won't ever do it so that we can stop talking about it and consider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">some other improvements to logging instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">Based on early feedback from a small group who have been involved<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">in the conversations about this in the past, I have drafted new two<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">specs with different approaches that try to avoid the pitfalls that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">blocked the earlier specs:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">1. A cross-project spec to add logging message IDs in (what I hope<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"> is) a less onerous way than has been proposed before:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"> <a href="https://review.openstack.org/460110">
<span style="font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#BC1518;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">https://review.openstack.org/460110</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">2. An Oslo spec to add some features to oslo.log to try to achieve the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"> goals of the original proposal without having to assign message IDs:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"> <a href="https://review.openstack.org/460112">
<span style="font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#BC1518;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">https://review.openstack.org/460112</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">To understand the full history and context, you’ll want to read the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">blog post I write last week [1]. The reference lists of the specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">also point to some older specs with different proposals that have<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">failed to gain traction in the past.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">I expect all three proposals to be up for discussion during the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">logging working group session at the summit/forum, so if you have<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">any interest in the topic please plan to attend [2].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">Doug<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">[1] <a href="https://doughellmann.com/blog/2017/04/20/lessons-learned-from-working-on-large-scale-cross-project-initiatives-in-openstack/">
<span style="font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#BC1518;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">https://doughellmann.com/blog/2017/04/20/lessons-learned-from-working-on-large-scale-cross-project-initiatives-in-openstack/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#535353">[2] <a href="https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18507/logging-working-group-working-session">
<span style="font-family:"inherit",serif;color:#BC1518;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18507/logging-working-group-working-session</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">[1] <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115958.html">
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