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    <p>If you are interested in manually mucking around with local virsh
      domain states, and you don't want nova to interfere, you can just
      stop the local nova-compute service and it won't be doing any
      syncing. Once you get those instances back into their desired
      state, you can restart nova-compute and it won't be any wiser.<br>
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    <p>You can obviously shoot yourself in the foot using this method,
      but I can understand in some cases that large hammers and manual
      virsh commands are necessary.</p>
    Cheers!<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-16 17:32, Mohammed Naser
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      <div>Typically, you should not be managing your VMs by virsh.
        After a power outage, I would recommend sending a start API call
        to instances that are housed on that specific hypervisor<br>
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        On Nov 16, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Gustavo Randich <<a
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            <div>When a VM is shutdown without using nova API (kvm
              process down, libvirt failed to start instance on host
              boot, etc.), Openstack "freezes" the shutdown power state
              in the DB, and then re-applies it if the VM is not started
              via API, e.g.:</div>
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              <div># virsh shutdown <domain></div>
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              <div>[ sync power states -> stop instance via API ],
                because hypervisor rules ("power_state is always updated
                from hypervisor to db")</div>
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              <div># virsh startup <domain></div>
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              <div>[ sync power states -> stop instance via API ],
                because database rules</div>
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            <div>I understand this behaviour is "by design", but I'm
              confused about the asymmetry: if VM is shutdown without
              using nova API, should I not be able to start it up again
              without nova API?</div>
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            <div>This is a common scenario in power outages or failures
              external to Openstack, when VMs fail to start and we need
              to start them up again using virsh.</div>
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            <div>Thanks!</div>
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