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<div>I do agree that PWG should be the place for collecting product features requirements and properly delivered to the project teams. I am not sure how to use OSOps for User Stories, any example of that?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Joseph Bajin <<a href="mailto:josephbajin@gmail.com">josephbajin@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 5:50 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Kenny Johnston <<a href="mailto:kenny@kencjohnston.com">kenny@kencjohnston.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>OpenStack Operators <<a href="mailto:openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org">openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Openstack-operators] [osops] Finding ways to get operator issues to projects - Starting with NOVA<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is great Kenny!
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<div>I will see about attending one of the PWG sessions in the next few weeks. </div>
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<div>What I was thinking and maybe this works or doesn't was to have the "OSOps" group be that central point where Operators could feed User Stories. I was thinking that this may make it easier for groups to see all the Operators requests, User Stories, complaints,
appreciations, etc in one central location. That way if someone didn't know that there was say Product Work Group, they at least could get their story down for others to see. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I'll throw this out there but the Product Work Group[1] has a place for submitting "User Stories"[2] which are meant to be robust descriptions of problem statements and use cases. Speaking as a core PWG team member, I can say we'd love to have
operators submit User Stories with whatever level of detail they have available so our Product Team can help iterate and flesh out the stories for consideration by project teams.
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<div>You can find the PWG team in #openstack-product or in the PWG Mailling list[3]</div>
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<div>[1]<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam</a></div>
<div>[2]<a href="https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories" target="_blank">https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories</a></div>
<div>[3]<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg" target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg</a></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Christoph,
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<div>This is a great idea and a tool I think others would be very interested in having. </div>
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<div>Now the question that I have to you and everyone else, is within the Operators community how would we capture this information so we could open up dialogue with both the Neutron and Nova teams?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Joseph, we would propose a migration tool for getting the NOVA networking database information into mapping it Neutron,
<div>as we are seeing an increasing demand to "upgrade" from Nova Networking to an OpenStack Neutron and SDN 3rd Party based</div>
<div>model for Cloud Computing amongst our installed base of OpenStack customers, some of whom grew out of Nova networking and it's</div>
<div>limits in leveraging VLANs.</div>
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<div>I also caught sight of the recent write ups here , which seem to point in the same direction actually, in lieu of adoption of Liberty from</div>
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<div><a href="http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/networking-guide/migration-nova-network-to-neutron.html" target="_blank">http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/networking-guide/migration-nova-network-to-neutron.html</a><br>
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<div>Any tooling to make this easier as a migration process, we (me) are keen to engage and help, </div>
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<div>Let us know if anyone else is on the same level working on things,</div>
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<div>On 26 March 2016 at 20:47, Joseph Bajin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:josephbajin@gmail.com" target="_blank">josephbajin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>At the last OSOps Tools and Monitoring meeting, we had mriedem (Nova Team) talk with us about a proposal that they are working on. The Nova team would like to abandon the use of a wish-list as it has grown to an unmanageable size. They have posted a few
times to both the operators list [1] as well as the developers list [2] about their idea. They would like to work with us operators to find the best way to get our ideas into their prioritization list. At the mid-cycle and summit meet-ups, we continue to
create etherpads [3] that make mention to the troubles we have, as well as the work we have done to overcome them. These are examples of the work that the NOVA team would like to hear about.</div>
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<div>I'd like to gather some ideas and thoughts from the operator community on not only the NOVA proposal but ways that we could get the feedback we create each cycle to each of the respective projects. One idea that I have is using the OSOps repo as a way
for us to gather and track these wishlist type of items. Then the OSOps working group could be used to help try get these worked on. </div>
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<div>I'd love to get help and hear ideas from others about how we could improve and build on this process. Please let me know your thoughts.</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009942.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009942.html</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089365.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089365.html</a></div>
<div>[3] <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches" target="_blank">
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches</a></div>
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