<div dir="ltr"><div>My fear with the github is that people will just donate code in a fire and forget fashion... this will generate a poorly maintained repo in which finding useful actively maintained contributions may become difficult.<br><br></div>So my concerns lie in ensuring that anyone who contributes to this effort is committing to supporting their code for some length of time, and that there are maintainers committing to cleaning out the repos and being good code janitors.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Tim Bell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Tim.Bell@cern.ch" target="_blank">Tim.Bell@cern.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">My impression of the operations teams is that there is not yet consensus on the toolchains. This would make it difficult to establish
a single project since the selection has many criteria outside of OpenStack (e.g. in-house skills, current deployments).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I think the github repo (<a href="https://github.com/osops" target="_blank">https://github.com/osops</a>) is a great move to allow easy access to how
others are doing it but it would be unrealistic to expect everyone to adopt a single toolchain given the investment in other areas.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The deployment program is very different and it is not clear to me that TripleO is the universal solution either but that is another
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<b>To:</b> Michael Chapman<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openstack-operators] Proposal for an 'Operations' project<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>Agree with Mike 1000%.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>This is something we should have done ages ago, and being agnostic is the correct way to get traction on this stuff. We'll be happy to help.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks for championing this!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jonothan: Your example of including log filters in oslo is extremely confusing. I am talking about something like this: <a href="https://github.com/OpenStratus/openstack-logstash/blob/master/agent.conf" target="_blank">https://github.com/OpenStratus/openstack-logstash/blob/master/agent.conf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Which really doesn't belong in oslo. There's similar configuration for equivalents such as splunk or fluentd, all doing roughly the same thing depending on the operator's tool of choice.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeremy: OpenStack is so large that setting up packaging, monitoring and log aggregation for it isn't something that can be done easily, yet without configuring any monitoring or log aggregation it is extremely difficult to diagnose and
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to whether to include these things in the deployment program, I would say that I think the Deployment program is covering a 'delivery mechanism', whereas the things I am talking about are 'things to be delivered'. Clint and I had a quick
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