[Openstack-operators] the url for moderator request
Patricia Dugan
patricia.dugan at oneops.com
Thu Oct 13 14:33:34 UTC 2016
Is this the url for the moderator request: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup <https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup> << at the bottom, is that where we are supposed to fill out?
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> 1. Re: [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova
> on Ceph? (Adam Kijak)
> 2. Ubuntu package for Octavia (Lutz Birkhahn)
> 3. Re: [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova
> on Ceph? (Adam Kijak)
> 4. [nova] Does anyone use the os-diagnostics API? (Matt Riedemann)
> 5. OPNFV delivered its new Colorado release (Ulrich Kleber)
> 6. Re: [nova] Does anyone use the os-diagnostics API? (Tim Bell)
> 7. Re: [nova] Does anyone use the os-diagnostics API? (Joe Topjian)
> 8. Re: OPNFV delivered its new Colorado release (Jay Pipes)
> 9. glance, nova backed by NFS (Curtis)
> 10. Re: glance, nova backed by NFS (Kris G. Lindgren)
> 11. Re: glance, nova backed by NFS (Tobias Sch?n)
> 12. Re: glance, nova backed by NFS (Kris G. Lindgren)
> 13. Re: glance, nova backed by NFS (Curtis)
> 14. Re: glance, nova backed by NFS (James Penick)
> 15. Re: glance, nova backed by NFS (Curtis)
> 16. Re: Ubuntu package for Octavia (Xav Paice)
> 17. Re: [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova
> on Ceph? (Warren Wang)
> 18. Re: [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova
> on Ceph? (Clint Byrum)
> 19. Disable console for an instance (Blair Bethwaite)
> 20. host maintenance (Juvonen, Tomi (Nokia - FI/Espoo))
> 21. Ops at Barcelona - Call for Moderators (Tom Fifield)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:23:41 +0000
> From: Adam Kijak <adam.kijak at corp.ovh.com>
> To: Xav Paice <xavpaice at gmail.com>,
> "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova]
> How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
> Message-ID: <839b3aba73394bf9aae56c801687e50c at corp.ovh.com>
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>> ________________________________________
>> From: Xav Paice <xavpaice at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:41 PM
>> To: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
>>
>> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 13:29 +0000, Adam Kijak wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We use a Ceph cluster for Nova (Glance and Cinder as well) and over
>>> time,
>>> more and more data is stored there. We can't keep the cluster so big
>>> because of
>>> Ceph's limitations. Sooner or later it needs to be closed for adding
>>> new
>>> instances, images and volumes. Not to mention it's a big failure
>>> domain.
>>
>> I'm really keen to hear more about those limitations.
>
> Basically it's all related to the failure domain ("blast radius") and risk management.
> Bigger Ceph cluster means more users.
> Growing the Ceph cluster temporary slows it down, so many users will be affected.
> There are bugs in Ceph which can cause data corruption. It's rare, but when it happens
> it can affect many (maybe all) users of the Ceph cluster.
>
>>>
>>> How do you handle this issue?
>>> What is your strategy to divide Ceph clusters between compute nodes?
>>> How do you solve VM snapshot placement and migration issues then
>>> (snapshots will be left on older Ceph)?
>>
>> Having played with Ceph and compute on the same hosts, I'm a big fan of
>> separating them and having dedicated Ceph hosts, and dedicated compute
>> hosts. That allows me a lot more flexibility with hardware
>> configuration and maintenance, easier troubleshooting for resource
>> contention, and also allows scaling at different rates.
>
> Exactly, I consider it the best practice as well.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:25:38 +0000
> From: Lutz Birkhahn <lutz.birkhahn at noris.de>
> To: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] Ubuntu package for Octavia
> Message-ID: <B1F091B0-61C6-4AB2-AEEC-F2F458101C11 at noris.de>
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> Has anyone seen Ubuntu packages for Octavia yet?
>
> We?re running Ubuntu 16.04 with Newton, but for whatever reason I can not find any Octavia package?
>
> So far I?ve only found in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/HowToRun the following:
>
> Ubuntu Packages Setup: Install octavia with your favorite distribution: ?pip install octavia?
>
> That was not exactly what we would like to do in our production cloud?
>
> Thanks,
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:35:48 +0000
> From: Adam Kijak <adam.kijak at corp.ovh.com>
> To: Abel Lopez <alopgeek at gmail.com>
> Cc: openstack-operators <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova]
> How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
> Message-ID: <29c531e1c0614dc1bd1cf587d69aa45b at corp.ovh.com>
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>> _______________________________________
>> From: Abel Lopez <alopgeek at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:57 PM
>> To: Adam Kijak
>> Cc: openstack-operators
>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
>>
>> Have you thought about dedicated pools for cinder/nova and a separate pool for glance, and any other uses you might have?
>> You need to setup secrets on kvm, but you can have cinder creating volumes from glance images quickly in different pools
>
> We already have separate pool for images, volumes and instances.
> Separate pools doesn't really split the failure domain though.
> Also AFAIK you can't set up multiple pools for instances in nova.conf, right?
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 09:00:11 -0500
> From: Matt Riedemann <mriedem at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> To: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] [nova] Does anyone use the
> os-diagnostics API?
> Message-ID: <5dae5c89-b682-15c7-11c6-d9a5481076a4 at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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> The current form of the nova os-diagnostics API is hypervisor-specific,
> which makes it pretty unusable in any generic way, which is why Tempest
> doesn't test it.
>
> Way back when the v3 API was a thing for 2 minutes there was work done
> to standardize the diagnostics information across virt drivers in nova.
> The only thing is we haven't exposed that out of the REST API yet, but
> there is a spec proposing to do that now:
>
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357884/
>
> This is an admin-only API so we're trying to keep an end user point of
> view out of discussing it. For example, the disk details don't have any
> unique identifier. We could add one, but would it be useful to an admin?
>
> This API is really supposed to be for debug, but the question I have for
> this list is does anyone actually use the existing os-diagnostics API?
> And if so, how do you use it, and what information is most useful? If
> you are using it, please review the spec and provide any input on what's
> proposed for outputs.
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Riedemann
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:17:50 +0000
> From: Ulrich Kleber <Ulrich.Kleber at huawei.com>
> To: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] OPNFV delivered its new Colorado
> release
> Message-ID: <884BFBB6F562F44F91BF83F77C24E9972E7EB5F0 at lhreml507-mbx>
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> Hi,
> I didn't see an official announcement, so I like to point you to the new release of OPNFV.
> https://www.opnfv.org/news-faq/press-release/2016/09/open-source-nfv-project-delivers-third-platform-release-introduces-0
> OPNFV is an open source project and one of the most important users of OpenStack in the Telecom/NFV area. Maybe it is interesting for your work.
> Feel free to contact me or meet during the Barcelona summit at the session of the OpenStack Operators Telecom/NFV Functional Team (https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16768/openstack-operators-telecomnfv-functional-team).
> Cheers,
> Uli
>
>
> Ulrich KLEBER
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:35:54 +0000
> From: Tim Bell <Tim.Bell at cern.ch>
> To: Matt Riedemann <mriedem at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> Cc: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [nova] Does anyone use the
> os-diagnostics API?
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>
>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 07:00, Matt Riedemann <mriedem at linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>> The current form of the nova os-diagnostics API is hypervisor-specific, which makes it pretty unusable in any generic way, which is why Tempest doesn't test it.
>>
>> Way back when the v3 API was a thing for 2 minutes there was work done to standardize the diagnostics information across virt drivers in nova. The only thing is we haven't exposed that out of the REST API yet, but there is a spec proposing to do that now:
>>
>> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357884/
>>
>> This is an admin-only API so we're trying to keep an end user point of view out of discussing it. For example, the disk details don't have any unique identifier. We could add one, but would it be useful to an admin?
>>
>> This API is really supposed to be for debug, but the question I have for this list is does anyone actually use the existing os-diagnostics API? And if so, how do you use it, and what information is most useful? If you are using it, please review the spec and provide any input on what's proposed for outputs.
>>
>
> Matt,
>
> Thanks for asking. We?ve used the API in the past as a way of getting the usage data out of Nova. We had problems running ceilometer at scale and this was a way of retrieving the data for our accounting reports. We created a special policy configuration to allow authorised users query this data without full admin rights.
>
> From the look of the new spec, it would be fairly straightforward to adapt the process to use the new format as all the CPU utilisation data is there.
>
> Tim
>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt Riedemann
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:44:14 -0600
> From: Joe Topjian <joe at topjian.net>
> To: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [nova] Does anyone use the
> os-diagnostics API?
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> Hi Matt, Tim,
>
> Thanks for asking. We?ve used the API in the past as a way of getting the
>> usage data out of Nova. We had problems running ceilometer at scale and
>> this was a way of retrieving the data for our accounting reports. We
>> created a special policy configuration to allow authorised users query this
>> data without full admin rights.
>>
>
> We do this as well.
>
>
>> From the look of the new spec, it would be fairly straightforward to adapt
>> the process to use the new format as all the CPU utilisation data is there.
>>
>
> I agree.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:02:11 -0400
> From: Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com>
> To: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] OPNFV delivered its new Colorado
> release
> Message-ID: <fe2e53bb-6ed2-c1af-bbee-97c3220a30c2 at gmail.com>
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> On 10/12/2016 10:17 AM, Ulrich Kleber wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I didn?t see an official announcement, so I like to point you to the new
>> release of OPNFV.
>>
>> https://www.opnfv.org/news-faq/press-release/2016/09/open-source-nfv-project-delivers-third-platform-release-introduces-0
>>
>> OPNFV is an open source project and one of the most important users of
>> OpenStack in the Telecom/NFV area. Maybe it is interesting for your work.
>
> Hi Ulrich,
>
> I'm hoping you can explain to me what exactly OPNFV is producing in its
> releases. I've been through a number of the Jira items linked in the
> press release above and simply cannot tell what is being actually
> delivered by OPNFV versus what is just something that is in an OpenStack
> component or deployment.
>
> A good example of this is the IPV6 project's Jira item here:
>
> https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/IPVSIX-37
>
> Which has the title of "Auto-installation of both underlay IPv6 and
> overlay IPv6". The issue is marked as "Fixed" in Colorado 1.0. However,
> I can't tell what code was produced in OPNFV that delivers the
> auto-installation of both an underlay IPv6 and an overlay IPv6.
>
> In short, I'm confused about what OPNFV is producing and hope to get
> some insights from you.
>
> Best,
> -jay
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:21:27 -0600
> From: Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com>
> To: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
> Message-ID:
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> Hi All,
>
> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small
> lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>
> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova? I
> remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted b/c
> certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that
> has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I
> should be doing configuration-wise.
>
> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to
> point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just missed
> it.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:58:47 +0000
> From: "Kris G. Lindgren" <klindgren at godaddy.com>
> To: Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com>,
> "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
> Message-ID: <94226DBF-0D6F-4585-9341-37E193C5F0E6 at godaddy.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> We don?t use shared storage at all. But I do remember what you are talking about. The issue is that compute nodes weren?t aware they were on shared storage, and would nuke the backing mage from shared storage, after all vm?s on *that* compute node had stopped using it. Not after all vm?s had stopped using it.
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1620341 - Looks like some code to address that concern has landed but only in trunk maybe mitaka. Any stable releases don?t appear to be shared backing image safe.
>
> You might be able to get around this by setting the compute image manager task to not run. But the issue with that will be one missed compute node, and everyone will have a bad day.
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Kris Lindgren
> Senior Linux Systems Engineer
> GoDaddy
>
> On 10/12/16, 11:21 AM, "Curtis" <serverascode at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small
> lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>
> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova? I
> remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted b/c
> certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that
> has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I
> should be doing configuration-wise.
>
> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to
> point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just missed
> it.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis.
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:59:13 +0000
> From: Tobias Sch?n <Tobias.Schon at fiberdata.se>
> To: Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com>,
> "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
> Message-ID: <58f74b23f1254f5886df90183092a32b at elara.ad.fiberdata.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> We have an environment with glance and cinder using NFS.
> It's important that they have the correct rights. The shares should be owned by nova on compute if mounted up on /var/lib/nova/instances
> And the same for nova and glance on the controller..
>
> It's important that you map the glance and nova up in fstab.
>
> The cinder one is controlled by the nfsdriver.
>
> We are running rhelosp6, Openstack Juno.
>
> This parameter is used:
> nfs_shares_config=/etc/cinder/shares-nfs.conf in the /etc/cinder/cinder.conf file and then we have specified the share in /etc/cinder/shares-nfs.conf.
>
> chmod 0640 /etc/cinder/shares-nfs.conf
>
> setsebool -P virt_use_nfs on
> This one is important to make it work with SELinux
>
> How up to date this is actually I don't know tbh, but it was up to date as of redhat documentation when we deployed it around 1.5y ago.
>
> //Tobias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr?n: Curtis [mailto:serverascode at gmail.com]
> Skickat: den 12 oktober 2016 19:21
> Till: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
> ?mne: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>
> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova? I remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted b/c certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I should be doing configuration-wise.
>
> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just missed it.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis.
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenStack-operators mailing list
> OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 18:06:31 +0000
> From: "Kris G. Lindgren" <klindgren at godaddy.com>
> To: Tobias Sch?n <Tobias.Schon at fiberdata.se>, Curtis
> <serverascode at gmail.com>, "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
> Message-ID: <88AE471E-81CD-4E72-935D-4390C05F5D33 at godaddy.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Tobias does bring up something that we have ran into before.
>
> With NFSv3 user mapping is done by ID, so you need to ensure that all of your servers use the same UID for nova/glance. If you are using packages/automation that do useradd?s without the same userid its *VERY* easy to have mismatched username/uid?s across multiple boxes.
>
> NFSv4, iirc, sends the username and the nfs server does the translation of the name to uid, so it should not have this issue. But we have been bit by that more than once on nfsv3.
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Kris Lindgren
> Senior Linux Systems Engineer
> GoDaddy
>
> On 10/12/16, 11:59 AM, "Tobias Sch?n" <Tobias.Schon at fiberdata.se> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We have an environment with glance and cinder using NFS.
> It's important that they have the correct rights. The shares should be owned by nova on compute if mounted up on /var/lib/nova/instances
> And the same for nova and glance on the controller..
>
> It's important that you map the glance and nova up in fstab.
>
> The cinder one is controlled by the nfsdriver.
>
> We are running rhelosp6, Openstack Juno.
>
> This parameter is used:
> nfs_shares_config=/etc/cinder/shares-nfs.conf in the /etc/cinder/cinder.conf file and then we have specified the share in /etc/cinder/shares-nfs.conf.
>
> chmod 0640 /etc/cinder/shares-nfs.conf
>
> setsebool -P virt_use_nfs on
> This one is important to make it work with SELinux
>
> How up to date this is actually I don't know tbh, but it was up to date as of redhat documentation when we deployed it around 1.5y ago.
>
> //Tobias
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr?n: Curtis [mailto:serverascode at gmail.com]
> Skickat: den 12 oktober 2016 19:21
> Till: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
> ?mne: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>
> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova? I remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted b/c certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I should be doing configuration-wise.
>
> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just missed it.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis.
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:18:40 -0600
> From: Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com>
> To: "Kris G. Lindgren" <klindgren at godaddy.com>
> Cc: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
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> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kris G. Lindgren
> <klindgren at godaddy.com> wrote:
>> We don?t use shared storage at all. But I do remember what you are talking about. The issue is that compute nodes weren?t aware they were on shared storage, and would nuke the backing mage from shared storage, after all vm?s on *that* compute node had stopped using it. Not after all vm?s had stopped using it.
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1620341 - Looks like some code to address that concern has landed but only in trunk maybe mitaka. Any stable releases don?t appear to be shared backing image safe.
>>
>> You might be able to get around this by setting the compute image manager task to not run. But the issue with that will be one missed compute node, and everyone will have a bad day.
>
> Cool, thanks Kris. Exactly what I was talking about. I'm on Mitaka,
> and I will look into that bugfix. I guess I need to test this lol.
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis.
>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________
>> Kris Lindgren
>> Senior Linux Systems Engineer
>> GoDaddy
>>
>> On 10/12/16, 11:21 AM, "Curtis" <serverascode at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small
>> lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>>
>> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova? I
>> remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted b/c
>> certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that
>> has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I
>> should be doing configuration-wise.
>>
>> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to
>> point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just missed
>> it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Curtis.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:34:39 -0700
> From: James Penick <jpenick at gmail.com>
> To: Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com>
> Cc: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
> Message-ID:
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> Are you backing both glance and nova-compute with NFS? If you're only
> putting the glance store on NFS you don't need any special changes. It'll
> Just Work.
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kris G. Lindgren
>> <klindgren at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>> We don?t use shared storage at all. But I do remember what you are
>> talking about. The issue is that compute nodes weren?t aware they were on
>> shared storage, and would nuke the backing mage from shared storage, after
>> all vm?s on *that* compute node had stopped using it. Not after all vm?s
>> had stopped using it.
>>>
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1620341 - Looks like some code to
>> address that concern has landed but only in trunk maybe mitaka. Any
>> stable releases don?t appear to be shared backing image safe.
>>>
>>> You might be able to get around this by setting the compute image
>> manager task to not run. But the issue with that will be one missed
>> compute node, and everyone will have a bad day.
>>
>> Cool, thanks Kris. Exactly what I was talking about. I'm on Mitaka,
>> and I will look into that bugfix. I guess I need to test this lol.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Curtis.
>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________________________
>>> Kris Lindgren
>>> Senior Linux Systems Engineer
>>> GoDaddy
>>>
>>> On 10/12/16, 11:21 AM, "Curtis" <serverascode at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small
>>> lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>>>
>>> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova? I
>>> remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted b/c
>>> certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that
>>> has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I
>>> should be doing configuration-wise.
>>>
>>> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to
>>> point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just
>> missed
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Curtis.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>>> OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
>> openstack-operators
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:49:40 -0600
> From: Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com>
> To: James Penick <jpenick at gmail.com>
> Cc: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] glance, nova backed by NFS
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> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:34 PM, James Penick <jpenick at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are you backing both glance and nova-compute with NFS? If you're only
>> putting the glance store on NFS you don't need any special changes. It'll
>> Just Work.
>
> I've got both glance and nova backed by NFS. Haven't put up cinder
> yet, but that will also be NFS backed. I just have very limited
> storage on the compute hosts, basically just enough for the operating
> system; this is just a small but permanent lab deployment. Good to
> hear that Glance will Just Work. :) Thanks!
>
> Thanks,
> Curtis.
>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Curtis <serverascode at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Kris G. Lindgren
>>> <klindgren at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>>> We don?t use shared storage at all. But I do remember what you are
>>>> talking about. The issue is that compute nodes weren?t aware they were on
>>>> shared storage, and would nuke the backing mage from shared storage, after
>>>> all vm?s on *that* compute node had stopped using it. Not after all vm?s had
>>>> stopped using it.
>>>>
>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1620341 - Looks like some code to
>>>> address that concern has landed but only in trunk maybe mitaka. Any stable
>>>> releases don?t appear to be shared backing image safe.
>>>>
>>>> You might be able to get around this by setting the compute image
>>>> manager task to not run. But the issue with that will be one missed compute
>>>> node, and everyone will have a bad day.
>>>
>>> Cool, thanks Kris. Exactly what I was talking about. I'm on Mitaka,
>>> and I will look into that bugfix. I guess I need to test this lol.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Curtis.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___________________________________________________________________
>>>> Kris Lindgren
>>>> Senior Linux Systems Engineer
>>>> GoDaddy
>>>>
>>>> On 10/12/16, 11:21 AM, "Curtis" <serverascode at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I've never used NFS with OpenStack before. But I am now with a small
>>>> lab deployment with a few compute nodes.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anything special I should do with NFS and glance and nova?
>>>> I
>>>> remember there was an issue way back when of images being deleted
>>>> b/c
>>>> certain components weren't aware they are on NFS. I'm guessing that
>>>> has changed but just wanted to check if there is anything specific I
>>>> should be doing configuration-wise.
>>>>
>>>> I can't seem to find many examples of NFS usage...so feel free to
>>>> point me to any documentation, blog posts, etc. I may have just
>>>> missed
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Curtis.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OpenStack-operators mailing list
>>>> OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 08:24:16 +1300
> From: Xav Paice <xavpaice at gmail.com>
> To: Lutz Birkhahn <lutz.birkhahn at noris.de>
> Cc: "openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] Ubuntu package for Octavia
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> I highly recommend looking in to Giftwrap for that, until there's UCA
> packages.
>
> The thing missing from the packages that Giftwrap will produce is init
> scripts, config file examples, and the various user and directory setup
> stuff. That's easy enough to put into config management or a separate
> package if you wanted to.
>
> On 13 October 2016 at 01:25, Lutz Birkhahn <lutz.birkhahn at noris.de> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen Ubuntu packages for Octavia yet?
>>
>> We?re running Ubuntu 16.04 with Newton, but for whatever reason I can not
>> find any Octavia package?
>>
>> So far I?ve only found in https://wiki.openstack.org/
>> wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/HowToRun the following:
>>
>> Ubuntu Packages Setup: Install octavia with your favorite
>> distribution: ?pip install octavia?
>>
>> That was not exactly what we would like to do in our production cloud?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> /lutz
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 16:02:55 -0400
> From: Warren Wang <warren at wangspeed.com>
> To: Adam Kijak <adam.kijak at corp.ovh.com>
> Cc: openstack-operators <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova]
> How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
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> If fault domain is a concern, you can always split the cloud up into 3
> regions, each having a dedicate Ceph cluster. It isn't necessarily going to
> mean more hardware, just logical splits. This is kind of assuming that the
> network doesn't share the same fault domain though.
>
> Alternatively, you can split the hardware for the Ceph boxes into multiple
> clusters, and use multi backend Cinder to talk to the same set of
> hypervisors to use multiple Ceph clusters. We're doing that to migrate from
> one Ceph cluster to another. You can even mount a volume from each cluster
> into a single instance.
>
> Keep in mind that you don't really want to shrink a Ceph cluster too much.
> What's "too big"? You should keep growing so that the fault domains aren't
> too small (3 physical rack min), or you guarantee that the entire cluster
> stops if you lose network.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> Warren
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Adam Kijak <adam.kijak at corp.ovh.com> wrote:
>
>>> _______________________________________
>>> From: Abel Lopez <alopgeek at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> To: Adam Kijak
>>> Cc: openstack-operators
>>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova]
>> How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
>>>
>>> Have you thought about dedicated pools for cinder/nova and a separate
>> pool for glance, and any other uses you might have?
>>> You need to setup secrets on kvm, but you can have cinder creating
>> volumes from glance images quickly in different pools
>>
>> We already have separate pool for images, volumes and instances.
>> Separate pools doesn't really split the failure domain though.
>> Also AFAIK you can't set up multiple pools for instances in nova.conf,
>> right?
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:46:01 -0700
> From: Clint Byrum <clint at fewbar.com>
> To: openstack-operators <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova]
> How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
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> Excerpts from Adam Kijak's message of 2016-10-12 12:23:41 +0000:
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Xav Paice <xavpaice at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:41 PM
>>> To: openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators][ceph][nova] How do you handle Nova on Ceph?
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 13:29 +0000, Adam Kijak wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> We use a Ceph cluster for Nova (Glance and Cinder as well) and over
>>>> time,
>>>> more and more data is stored there. We can't keep the cluster so big
>>>> because of
>>>> Ceph's limitations. Sooner or later it needs to be closed for adding
>>>> new
>>>> instances, images and volumes. Not to mention it's a big failure
>>>> domain.
>>>
>>> I'm really keen to hear more about those limitations.
>>
>> Basically it's all related to the failure domain ("blast radius") and risk management.
>> Bigger Ceph cluster means more users.
>
> Are these risks well documented? Since Ceph is specifically designed
> _not_ to have the kind of large blast radius that one might see with
> say, a centralized SAN, I'm curious to hear what events trigger
> cluster-wide blasts.
>
>> Growing the Ceph cluster temporary slows it down, so many users will be affected.
>
> One might say that a Ceph cluster that can't be grown without the users
> noticing is an over-subscribed Ceph cluster. My understanding is that
> one is always advised to provision a certain amount of cluster capacity
> for growing and replicating to replaced drives.
>
>> There are bugs in Ceph which can cause data corruption. It's rare, but when it happens
>> it can affect many (maybe all) users of the Ceph cluster.
>>
>
> :(
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 13:37:58 +1100
> From: Blair Bethwaite <blair.bethwaite at gmail.com>
> To: "openstack-oper." <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] Disable console for an instance
> Message-ID:
> <CA+z5DsyKjC6z4E+xOJv_a-UKbv+bX-+bt2mXDyp3c2e-bJbovA at mail.gmail.com>
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> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know whether there is a way to disable the novnc console on a
> per instance basis?
>
> Cheers,
> Blair
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 06:12:59 +0000
> From: "Juvonen, Tomi (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" <tomi.juvonen at nokia.com>
> To: "OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org"
> <OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] host maintenance
> Message-ID:
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> Hi,
>
> Had the session in Austin summit for the maintenance:
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Nova-maint
>
> Now the discussion have gotten to a point that should start prototyping a service hosting the maintenance. For maintenance Nova could have a link to this new service, but no functionality for the maintenance should be placed in Nova project. Was working to have this, but now looking better to have the prototype first:
> https://review.openstack.org/310510/
>
>> From the discussion over above review, the new service might have maintenance API connection point that links to host by utilizing "hostid" used in Nova and then there should be "tenant _id" specific end point to get what needed by project. Something like:
> http://maintenancethingy/maintenance/{hostid}
> http://maintenancethingy/maintenance/{hostid}/{tenant_id}
> This will ensure tenant will not know details about host, but can get needed information about maintenance effecting to his instances.
>
> In Telco/NFV side we have OPNFV Doctor project that sets the requirements for this from that direction. I am personally interested in that part, but to have this to serve all operator requirements, it is best to bring this here.
>
> This could be further discussed in Barcelona and should get other people interested to help starting with this. Any suggestion for the Ops session?
>
> Looking forward,
> Tomi
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:19:51 +0800
> From: Tom Fifield <tom at openstack.org>
> To: OpenStack Operators <openstack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: [Openstack-operators] Ops at Barcelona - Call for Moderators
> Message-ID: <ca8e7f82-b11e-ab3f-0d7c-9cc26719ebf0 at openstack.org>
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> Hello all,
>
> The Ops design summit sessions are now listed on the schedule!
>
>
> https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Ops+Summit%3A
>
> Please tick them and set up your summit app :)
>
>
> We are still looking for moderators for the following sessions:
>
> * OpenStack on Containers
> * Containers on OpenStack
> * Migration to OpenStack
> * Fleet Management
> * Feedback to PWG
> * Neutron pain points
> * Config Mgmt
> * HAProy, MySQL, Rabbit Tuning
> * Swift
> * Horizon
> * OpenStack CLI
> * Baremetal Deploy
> * OsOps
> * CI/CD workflows
> * Alt Deployment tech
> * ControlPlane Design(multi region)
> * Docs
>
>
> ==> If you are interested in moderating a session, please
>
> * write your name in its etherpad (multiple moderators OK!)
>
> ==> I'll be honest, I have no idea what some of the sessions are
> supposed to be, so also:
>
> * write a short description for the session so the agenda can be updated
>
>
> For those of you who want to know what it takes check out the
> Moderator's Guide:
> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups#Moderators_Guide &
> ask questions - we're here to help!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Tom, on behalf of the Ops Meetups Team
> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team
>
>
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