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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Everyone,<br>
<br>
I have summarized the responses so far in a Google spreadsheet
document [1].<br>
<br>
Looks like the consensus has converged on alternating meetings, in
UTC:<br>
<br>
Week 1 - Mondays 1800 or 1300<br>
Week 2 - Tuesdays 0800<br>
<br>
I would be agreeable to moving the Monday meeting to Wednesday,
and alternating as Kurt suggested. I have set up a Google
moderator page [2] so that all interested parties can provide
their input for a final tally.<br>
<br>
[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1glmZirKpp1wGvcJ0Zx35IkmJ23CSpfq2NoAK3_vW6b8/pubhtml">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1glmZirKpp1wGvcJ0Zx35IkmJ23CSpfq2NoAK3_vW6b8/pubhtml</a><br>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=21b93c">https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=21b93c</a><br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Steve Weston<br>
Triniplex<br>
<br>
On 12/8/14 5:48 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:trinath.somanchi@freescale.com">trinath.somanchi@freescale.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Kurt Taylor. +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nice idea to start with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Somanchi - B39208<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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Kurt Taylor [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kurt.r.taylor@gmail.com">mailto:kurt.r.taylor@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 05, 2014 8:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage
questions); <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org">openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenStack-Infra] [openstack-dev]
[third-party]Time for Additional Meeting for third-party<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">In my opinion,
further discussion is needed. The proposal on the table is
to have 2 weekly meetings, one at the existing time of
1800UTC on Monday and, also in the same week, to have
another meeting at 0800 UTC on Tuesday. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Here are some
of the problems that I see with this approach:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">1. Meeting
content: Having 2 meetings per week is more than is
needed at this stage of the working group. There just
isn't enough meeting content to justify having two
meetings every week.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">2.
Decisions: Any decision made at one meeting will
potentially be undone at the next, or at least not fully
explained. It will be difficult to keep consistent
direction with the overall work group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">3. Meeting
chair(s): Currently we do not have a commitment for a
long-term chair of this new second weekly meeting. I
will not be able to attend this new meeting at the
proposed time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">4. Current
meeting time: I am not aware of anyone that likes the
current time of 1800 UTC on Monday. The current time is
the main reason it is hard for EU and APAC CI Operators
to attend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">My proposal
was to have only 1 meeting per week at alternating
times, just as other work groups have done to solve this
problem. (See examples at:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings</a>)
I volunteered to chair, then ask other CI Operators to
chair as the meetings evolved. The meeting times could
be any between 1300-0300 UTC. That way, one week we are
good for US and Europe, the next week for APAC.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Kurt Taylor
(krtaylor)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Wed, Dec 3,
2014 at 11:10 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:trinath.somanchi@freescale.com">
trinath.somanchi@freescale.com</a> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:trinath.somanchi@freescale.com"
target="_blank">trinath.somanchi@freescale.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="im">Trinath Somanchi - B39208</span><br>
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<span class="im">-----Original Message-----</span><br>
<span class="im">From: Anita Kuno [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anteaya@anteaya.info">anteaya@anteaya.info</a>]</span><br>
<span class="im">Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:55
AM</span><br>
<span class="im">To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org">openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [OpenStack-Infra] [openstack-dev]
[third-party]Time for Additional Meeting for
third-party<br>
<br>
On 12/03/2014 03:15 AM, Omri Marcovitch wrote:<br>
> Hello Anteaya,<br>
><br>
> A meeting between 8:00 - 16:00 UTC time will be
great (Israel).<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
> Omri<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Joshua Hesketh [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joshua.hesketh@rackspace.com">joshua.hesketh@rackspace.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:04 AM<br>
> To: He, Yongli; OpenStack Development Mailing
List (not for usage<br>
> questions); <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org">openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra]
[third-party]Time for<br>
> Additional Meeting for third-party<br>
><br>
> Hey,<br>
><br>
> 0700 -> 1000 UTC would work for me most
weeks fwiw.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Josh<br>
><br>
> Rackspace Australia<br>
><br>
> On 12/3/14 11:17 AM, He, Yongli wrote:<br>
>> anteaya,<br>
>><br>
>> UTC 7:00 AM to UTC9:00, or UTC11:30 to
UTC13:00 is ideal time for china.<br>
>><br>
>> if there is no time slot there, just pick
up any time between UTC<br>
>> 7:00 AM to UCT 13:00. ( UTC9:00 to UTC
11:30 is on road to home and<br>
>> dinner.)<br>
>><br>
>> Yongi He<br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Anita Kuno [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anteaya@anteaya.info">anteaya@anteaya.info</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 4:07 AM<br>
>> To: openstack Development Mailing List;<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org">openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
>> Subject: [openstack-dev] [third-party]Time
for Additional Meeting for<br>
>> third-party<br>
>><br>
>> One of the actions from the Kilo
Third-Party CI summit session was to start up an
additional meeting for CI operators to participate
from non-North American time zones.<br>
>><br>
>> Please reply to this email with times/days
that would work for you. The current third party
meeting is on Mondays at 1800 utc which works well
since Infra meetings are on Tuesdays. If we could
find a time that works for Europe and APAC that is
also on Monday that would be ideal.<br>
>><br>
>> Josh Hesketh has said he will try to be
available for these meetings, he is in Australia.<br>
>><br>
>> Let's get a sense of what days and
timeframes work for those interested and then we can
narrow it down and pick a channel.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks everyone,<br>
>> Anita.<br>
>><br>
<br>
Okay first of all thanks to everyone who replied.<br>
<br>
Again, to clarify, the purpose of this thread has
been to find a suitable additional third-party
meeting time geared towards folks in EU and APAC. We
live on a sphere, there is no time that will suit
everyone.<br>
<br>
It looks like we are converging on 0800 UTC as a
time and I am going to suggest Tuesdays. We have
very little competition for space at that date<br>
+ time combination so we can use #openstack-meeting
(I have already<br>
booked the space on the wikipage).<br>
<br>
So barring further discussion, see you then!<br>
<br>
Thanks everyone,<br>
Anita.<br>
<br>
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