[OpenStack-Infra] Fwd: Biting the bullet on issue tracking

Yolanda Robla Mota yolanda.robla-mota at hp.com
Tue Mar 24 10:07:53 UTC 2015


Hi
So i'm sad to see a project like StoryBoard not arrive to a good end, 
but I understand the decisions that lead to that. With the amount of 
dedicated resources to StoryBoard, it was very complicated to provide 
same features as other open source alternatives, and may be a better 
option to collaborate with other open source projects.
Thanks Michael for all of your support, and make it easy to contribute 
in StoryBoard. You've been incredibly supportive, and helped me to start 
contributing to the project and gain confidence on that. You rock!
Finally, I think these efforts have not been in vain, because as Michael 
says, we've setup the basis for a successful development using AngularJS 
and best practices there, that can be used as a start point for another 
projects.

It has been a pleasure to work with you all. Best
Yolanda


>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Michael Krotscheck* <krotscheck at gmail.com 
> <mailto:krotscheck at gmail.com>>
> Date: 2015-03-24 0:28 GMT+01:00
> Subject: Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Biting the bullet on issue tracking
> To: openstack-infra at lists.openstack.org 
> <mailto:openstack-infra at lists.openstack.org>
>
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> It's quite rough to realize that the thing you've been advocating, 
> working on, and desperately trying to recruit contributors for is DoA, 
> and that's what I've been struggling with for the past few weeks. Even 
> so, I was part and parcel to coming up with Monty's recommendation, so 
> this wasn't a surprise.
>
> Don't get me wrong: I love the project. I love the team, I love our 
> technological vision, I love all these things. There are features that 
> I feel are unique - Federation, process-agnosticism, clean api/ui 
> separation, etc. - and given the opportunity (and proper resources) I 
> would love to continue working on it. However for all the excitement 
> that I've received over the past year, very little has solidified into 
> any kind of concrete contribution. It was time to call the bluff.
>
> And yet... StoryBoard has been a fantastic test bed for JavaScript as 
> a first class citizen in OpenStack, and I'm going to continue moving 
> that forward. There are some missing parts of our infrastructure, some 
> of our existing tools need to be refined and documented, and there are 
> some sticky policy items that need to be proposed to the TC. I see no 
> reason not to continue supporting StoryBoard as that test bed, 
> especially since the infrastructure team is still using it. Once a 
> reasonable sunset has been reached (assuming new contributors don't 
> magically materialize), my plan is to dive into the other UI 
> components in OpenStack.
>
> A very special thank you Yolanda Robla-Mota, Mike Heald, Riccardo 
> Cruz, Nikita Konovalov, Aleksey Ripinien, Tom Pollard, and all the 
> others who have contributed over the past year. Y'all are awesome.
>
> Michael
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM Monty Taylor <mordred at inaugust.com 
> <mailto:mordred at inaugust.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi everybody,
>
>     First, some background:
>
>     A year and a half ago, Infra started down the road of of writing a
>     replacement for the pieces of Launchpad that OpenStack continues
>     to use.
>     There were several reasons, but notable amongst them are:
>
>     - Desire to use the forthcoming openstackid OpenID/Oauth as an SSO
>     - Delay in long-standing bugs that affect OpenStack getting fixed
>
>     The existing open source offerings that we investigated did not have
>     adequate feature parity in the key data model areas that made
>     Launchpad
>     particularly compelling as a choice for us, and adding what we
>     needed to
>     the existing offerings would amount to substantial rewrites ... so we
>     decided that we had no real choice but to write our own.
>
>     Where we're at
>
>     We've gotten far enough to get Infra moved on to storyboard, but the
>     project has never really gotten resourced to the level it needs to
>     be to
>     truly responsive to the needs of our community. We're making good
>     progress towards meeting the initial set of goals we set, but in the
>     mean time several new requests have come in - such as from the UX team
>     and the Product Management Working Group - that we cannot meet
>     today and
>     which at our current rate I do not believe we would be able to
>     meet in a
>     reasonable timeframe.
>
>     At the same time, the state of the art around us has improved since we
>     started. A year and a half ago, I was able to very honestly say
>     that we
>     needed to work on this effort because we simply had no other choice.
>     That is no longer true. Existing Open Source offerings not only can
>     represent a large portion of our data needs, but additionally can
>     support the additional features that have been requested by our
>     community today out of the box.
>
>     The combination of the two of those makes the likelihood of us being
>     able to convince people to pony up more resources seem more and
>     more far
>     fetched. I could be wrong, of course - it's possible that in
>     response to
>     this someone will start jumping up and down and commit engineers
>     to the
>     effort ... but I'm not holding my breath.
>
>     Biting the bullet
>
>     I think we should get out of the business of writing our own bug
>     tracker.
>
>     It's not an easy thing to say, and I don't say it lightly. There are
>     things that storyboard models well that continue to be things that
>     simply are not modeled elsewhere. However, I think it's important to
>     know when good enough will do, and I think it's important to be
>     able to
>     step up and say that we tried valiantly, and everyone involved did a
>     great job, and yet the world has moved on and writing a bug tracker is
>     not, at the end of the day, what we're all here to do.
>
>     We're looking at what our options are, and Thierry is examining
>     them to
>     see how tolerable their differences would be to our community.
>
>     I propose that we have a solid answer and migration plan to put in
>     front
>     of people by Vancouver at the latest.
>
>     Finally, I'd like to say thank you to the storyboard team for
>     attacking
>     a very hard problem with not enough resources.
>
>     Monty
>
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