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      Doug Hellmann wrote on 8/2/2017 12:43 AM:<br>
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            <div class="">On Aug 1, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Doug Hellmann
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                Jaeger's message of 2017-08-01 08:57:09 +0200:</span><br
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">On 2017-07-31
                22:46, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">Excerpts from Ian Y.
                  Choi's message of 2017-08-01 03:16:09 +0900:<br
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                  <blockquote type="cite" class="">[...]<br class="">
                    2. Draft index page for translated documents was
                    also removed<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    Previously, Docs team maintained draft documents for
                    the master branch<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                      class="">
                    (which will be the stable branch<br class="">
                    after the official release and the document stables)
                    on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                      class="">
                    <a
                      href="https://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html"
                      class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html</a>
                    page.<br class="">
                    It also contained translated draft documents and
                    I18n team accessed the<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                    page to see whether translated documents<br class="">
                    render well or not, and also review translated
                    strings.<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    I did not notice when I saw the spec [1], but
                    recently, I noticed that<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                    the the draft-index.html page was deprecated<br
                      class="">
                    by [next-release-name]/index.haml (e.g.,<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                    <a href="https://docs.openstack.org/pike/index.html"
                      class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.openstack.org/pike/index.html</a>
                    ) [4].<br class="">
                    <br class="">
                    Since I18n team encourages translation review for
                    the better quality of<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                    translations, it is a good idea to see<br class="">
                    draft documents before language landing pages have
                    the link to fully<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                      class="">
                    translated and reviewed documents.<br class="">
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                  <br class="">
                  Is it possible to see the draft of a translation by
                  reviewing the<br class="">
                  output of the job that proposes the patch containing
                  the translated<br class="">
                  text?<br class="">
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                <br class="">
                Currently not, it needs publishing to docs-draft and a
                way to access the<br class="">
                multiple documents. Note this needs handling for both
                openstack-manuals<br class="">
                and project repos like neutron (networking-guide).<br
                  class="">
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                inline !important;" class="">Could we make it work that
                way? I understand why we need a separate</span><br
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              <span style="font-family: BitstreamVeraSansMono-Roman;
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                inline !important;" class="">review step for the
                translations, but not why we need a separate</span><br
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                outside of the context of a job in order</span><br
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                (This is probably just me not understanding</span><br
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    It would be much nice if the job also supports the publication for
    translated documents,<br>
    assuming that the translated document build work should not
    interfere with the main documentation build steps.<br>
    <br>
    But for general perspective, if the target of translation is not all
    of documents in openstack-manuals,<br>
    we might need to analyze whether inclusion of translated document
    build jobs is better or not.<br>
    <br>
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                <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                  <blockquote type="cite" class="">Motoki-san proposed
                    an idea of translation status support using an yaml<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                    file in openstack-manuals [5],<br class="">
                    and I would like to discuss with I18n team how we
                    deal with the change<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                    of draft index page.<br class="">
                  </blockquote>
                  <br class="">
                  How would that flag or information be used?<br
                    class="">
                  <br class="">
                </blockquote>
                <br class="">
                WE could just have the link to it added - dependent on
                the flag - to either:<br class="">
                * language index<br class="">
                * draft index<br class="">
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              <span style="font-family: BitstreamVeraSansMono-Roman;
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display:
                inline !important;" class="">It seems like we want a
                list of languages for which there are</span><br
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              <span style="font-family: BitstreamVeraSansMono-Roman;
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display:
                inline !important;" class="">translations for a given
                set of docs. We could use that to populate</span><br
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              <span style="font-family: BitstreamVeraSansMono-Roman;
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display:
                inline !important;" class="">templates in a few
                different ways (link from the English version</span><br
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              <span style="font-family: BitstreamVeraSansMono-Roman;
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                inline !important;" class="">to the other languages,
                link from a $language landing page to all</span><br
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              <span style="font-family: BitstreamVeraSansMono-Roman;
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display:
                inline !important;" class="">of the guides in that
                language, etc.).</span><br style="font-family:
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                to add those features, if we have a</span><br
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