<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki.</span></blockquote><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Agree with this point, it would be very useful if there's history of the statistics with their Transifex ID attached. </div><div class="gmail_extra">@Daisy, does openstack keep the history of statistics everytime its compiled?<br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#999999"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">---------------------------------------------</span></font></div><div><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><br></font></span></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Alex Eng</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Globalisation Tools Engineering</span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">DID:</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><a href="callto:+61+3514+8262" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">+61 3514 8262</a></span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Mobile:</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><a href="callto:+614+2335+3457" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">+614 2335 3457</a></span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Level 1, 193 North Quay</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Brisbane 4000</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Office:</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><a href="callto:+61+7+3514+8100" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">+61 7 3514 8100</a></span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Fax:</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><a href="callto:+61+7+3514+8199" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">+61 7 3514 8199</a></span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><br style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)">Website:</span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px;background-color:rgb(253,253,253)"> </span><span style="font-size:13.3333330154419px"><a href="http://www.redhat.com/" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">www.redhat.com</a></span></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ian Y. Choi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ianyrchoi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ianyrchoi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello Daisy,<br>
<br>
Thank you so much for your kind explanation.<br>
<br>
I agree that all of translation data are successfully moved to Zanata,<br>
and I have no objection to remove current Transifex not to be confused for OpenStack translation contributor candidates.<br>
<br>
I just worried that some guys might want to see previous Transifex history: who contributed<br>
to OpenStack translations later, since, the author of translation results from Transifex<br>
to Zanata is "OpenStack Infra", not actual translators, as far as I know.<br>
However, I also think that it is very difficult to keep all the history to public.<br>
<br>
For my OpenStack translation stuff, I do not need Transifex any more.<br>
So if other translators also do not need to see to track previous translators in Transifex, then<br>
there is no more additional reason to remove Transifex except querying statistics.<br>
<br>
And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better<br>
to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki.<br>
<br>
Let's discuss on today IRC meeting :)<br>
<br>
<br>
With many thanks,<br>
<br>
/Ian<br>
<br>
Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 2:39 PM:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Ian Y,<br>
<br>
I will not use the official i18n repo to store those materials.<br>
I plan to store it in a personal repo in github,<br>
just to keep the history.<br>
<br>
We have moved all data into Zanata while we migrated to Zanata in September.<br>
4 months passed, we didn't get any complains about any missing data.<br>
We could be sure that all data have been moved to the new tool.<br>
So it's not that necessary to back up.<br>
<br>
The only reason to support to not delete OpenStack from Transifex is that:<br>
it's easy to query the contribution data in any certain period through the web UI of Transifex.<br>
If we remove OpenStack from Transifex, we will lost the ability to query.<br>
I could export the contribution data for a certain period, for example, the last 3 years, from Transifex,<br>
and store the export data somewhere.<br>
But I will lost the ability to query any periods, for example, the data from 2015.4-2015.10 will not be able to get.<br>
<br>
So we could discuss whether we need this ability in the meeting today.<br>
If we don't need, Transifex is no use for us. We could delete it safely.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)<br>
<br>
<br>
"Ian Y. Choi" <<a href="mailto:ianyrchoi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ianyrchoi@gmail.com</a>> wrote on 2015/12/17 12:21:34:<br>
<br>
> From: "Ian Y. Choi" <<a href="mailto:ianyrchoi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ianyrchoi@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Andreas Jaeger <<a href="mailto:aj@suse.com" target="_blank">aj@suse.com</a>><br>
> Cc: Robert Simai <<a href="mailto:robert.simai@suse.com" target="_blank">robert.simai@suse.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
> Date: 2015/12/17 12:22<br>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex<br>
><br>
> Hello Andreas,<br>
><br>
> I am copying & pasting from Andreas's comment to this thread:<br>
><br>
> +++<br>
> "Sorry, let me clarify this again:<br>
> * ATC is one year (voting rights for i18n)<br>
> * Free passes for OpenStack conference is 6 months<br>
><br>
> For ATC, you could take a one time snapshot as well now - going back<br>
> to 1st of April, instead of saving it for later,"<br>
><br>
><br>
> => Thank you so much for your nice clarification on ATC status and<br>
> summit free passes.<br>
><br>
> We would vote this issue (removing on Transifex site) on today's IRC<br>
> meeting, and yes.<br>
> We need contribution statistics data from Transifex, and I agree that<br>
> we can query and save Transifex statistics data (from April 1 2015<br>
> to now) and later<br>
> we would merge this data with Zanata statistics data on next April.<br>
><br>
> And I am not sure exactly, but we might use openstack/i18n repo to<br>
> store Transfex related data<br>
> into a specific branch, not a master branch.<br>
><br>
><br>
> With many thanks,<br>
><br>
> /Ian<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 1:21 AM:<br>
> If we don't need the contribution data in Transifex, I think we<br>
> could remove it.<br>
><br>
> As to the back up, it's a personal habit. I just want to keep it as<br>
> the history.<br>
> I will use a repo in github to store the documents, including an<br>
> Excel file with the contribution statistic data.<br>
><br>
> Best regards<br>
> Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Andreas Jaeger <<a href="mailto:aj@suse.com" target="_blank">aj@suse.com</a>> wrote: -----<br>
><br>
> >To: "Ian Y. Choi" <<a href="mailto:ianyrchoi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ianyrchoi@gmail.com</a>>, Robert Simai<br>
> ><<a href="mailto:robert.simai@suse.com" target="_blank">robert.simai@suse.com</a>><br>
> >From: Andreas Jaeger <<a href="mailto:aj@suse.com" target="_blank">aj@suse.com</a>><br>
> >Date: 12/16/2015 09:59PM<br>
> >Cc: <a href="mailto:openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
> >Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex<br>
> ><br>
> >On 2015-12-16 14:45, Andreas Jaeger wrote:<br>
> >> On 2015-12-16 14:34, Ian Y. Choi wrote:<br>
> >>> Hello Robert,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> As far as I remember, on the last i18n irc meeting (Dec 03 2015 +6<br>
> >UTC),<br>
> >>> we discussed this issue.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> During the meeting, meeting attendees found that querying to<br>
> >Transifex<br>
> >>> statistics data<br>
> >>> is needed to check ATC status for the next OpenStack release,<br>
> >Mitaka.<br>
> >><br>
> >> ATC status is handed out only for people active in the current<br>
> >release,<br>
> >> so for the next summit in Austin, only for people that were active<br>
> >in<br>
> >> Mitaka time frame. And since we used Zanata for all of Mitaka,<br>
> >there's<br>
> >> no need to query transifex IMO.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Katamo is wrong with ATC status for one year, this has changed,<br>
> ><br>
> >See<br>
> ><a href="https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac</a><br>
> >k-summit/<br>
> >with information for Tokyo summit (1st of April was cut-off-date),<br>
> ><br>
> >Andreas<br>
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