<html><body><p><tt>Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/11/11 12:45:50:<br><br>> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com></tt><br><tt>> To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com></tt><br><tt>> Cc: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Openstack-i18n <openstack-<br>> i18n@lists.openstack.org></tt><br><tt>> Date: 2015/11/11 12:46</tt><br><tt>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] I18n wiki page is translatable</tt><br><tt>> <br>> Hi Daisy, Ian,<br>> <br>> Thanks for the detail explanations, Ian.<br>> <br>> I am not necessarily opposing the current direction,<br>> but I would like to raise an issue of the process issue around this change.<br>> As you see in I18nTeam wiki page, not a small number of language teams<br>> has their own contents (Japanese team is one of them; 9 language teams).<br>> <br>> I believe more clear guidance should be provided.<br>> Such disruptive change</tt><br><br><tt>I noticed some wiki pages are not editable now.</tt><br><tt>Anyway, we need to fix this error firstly before we move on.</tt><br><tt>I have asked Tom Field to disable the translation of I18nTeam.</tt><br><tt>Hope everything runs well.</tt><br><tt><br>> <br>> I have the following four questions:<br>> <br>> * l18nTeam/team/xxxx is a new place for a language-specific contents?<br>> * How can each language team migrate their content if they want?<br>> Can we rename existing pages? (I could not find a way)<br>> Do we need to recreate a new page?</tt><br><br><tt>I plan to (1) disable translation (2) move team pages to team/xxx,</tt><br><tt>and then (3) enable translation </tt><br><tt><br>> * What is the suggested way to create a link to a language specific page from<br>> the top page (I18nTeam) or translated pages?<br>> I don't think using direct links is a good idea.<br>> <br>> * Who manages the source of translations?<br>> AFAIK, when the original page I18nTeam is edited, changes will not<br>> be reflected<br>> into the translation editor immediately. A translation coordinator<br>> of the OpenStack wiki<br>> needs to approve the change MANUALLY. It is not automated at now.<br>> I think this leads to mismatch between the source version and<br>> translated version<br>> unless Translation coordinator of the OpenStack wiki approves frequently.<br>> (There is nothing translators can do)</tt><br><br><tt>I appreciate any passion in translation, and </tt><br><tt>I don't want to say NO to any translation requests.</tt><br><tt>I think the infrastructure should support the translation request,</tt><br><tt>but it's not a mandatory order.</tt><br><tt>Each language team could make their own decision.</tt><br><br><tt>I noticed the changes must be approved after enabling translation.</tt><br><tt>I think some administrators will take care of those requests.</tt><br><tt><br>> <br>> <br>> In a longer term, IMO it is better to move all contents to openstack/i18n repo<br>> and make docuements in i18n repo translated. Wiki page are only used for<br>> contents more frequently edited.<br>></tt><br><br><tt>I agree.</tt><br><tt> <br>> Thanks,<br>> Akihiro<br>> <br>> 2015-11-11 1:55 GMT+09:00 Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi@gmail.com>:<br>> > Hello Akihiro,<br>> ><br>> > Actually I suggested a translatable I18nTeam wiki page [1] for Korean during<br>> > last Tokyo Design Summit.<br>> > After saying it, I found that there might be a problem in Japanese local<br>> > team<br>> > because Japanese language team already used /ja page, as you mentioned and<br>> > which would make conflict with translation functionality in OpenStack wiki.<br>> ><br>> > Let me first say why Korean translation page for I18nTeam is needed and<br>> > how Korean translation team wants to use two wiki pages separately:<br>> ><br>> > 1) <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ko">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ko</a><br>> > : To provide Korean guys with official I18nTeam introduction wiki page<br>> > : I think "Local Translation Teams" section is needed because this<br>> > information is<br>> > beneficial with the knowledge of the various language team activities.<br>> ><br>> > 2) <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/team/ko_KR">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/team/ko_KR</a><br>> > (I found that Daisy moved from .../ko_KR to .../team/ko_KR. Thank you!)<br>> > : To introduce Korean translation team with details and our specific<br>> > translation rules<br>> > : Providing links for OpenStack I18n official introduction wiki page & its<br>> > translation<br>> ><br>> > I would like to respect I18nTeam official wiki page, and this information is<br>> > written in English.<br>> > In my opinion, translating this page would more clearly advertise OpenStack<br>> > I18n overall activities to more Korean.<br>> ><br>> > This requirement and need might be different from various local translation<br>> > teams, I think,<br>> > and I also would like to respect the ways Japanese team used more than 1<br>> > year.<br>> ><br>> > So I would like to suggest not to include "<languages />" tag on [1] .<br>> > As you know, OpenStack Release Note wiki pages such as [2]<br>> > contain "<languages />" tag and displays different language translated pages<br>> > on the top part.<br>> ><br>> > I think this suggestion would satisfy different needs from various language<br>> > translation teams.<br>> > However, if <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam</a> page includes<br>> > "<languages />" tag,<br>> > then it would not fit to not only Japanese translation team, but also other<br>> > teams such as French, Polish and so on.<br>> > For Korean translation team, our official page contains the translated<br>> > I18nTeam link so it would be okay.<br>> ><br>> > I am not sure, but Daisy might already think so Daisy only moved from<br>> > .../ko_KR to .../team/ko_KR, and<br>> > did not include "<languages />" tag on [1] :)<br>> ><br>> > This is just my suggestion not to conflict with your team and to accomplish<br>> > our team requirement,<br>> > and I would like to listen Daisy's opinion and other language teams'<br>> > opinions.<br>> ><br>> > [1] <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam</a><br>> > [2] <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > With many thanks,<br>> ><br>> > /Ian<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Akihiro Motoki wrote on 11/10/2015 8:48 PM:<br>> >><br>> >> In addition, Japanese team maintains the original contents which<br>> >> are differ from the English version of I18nTeam page.<br>> >> Before enabling translation for I18nTeam, I would like to see a solution<br>> >> for language specific content.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> 2015-11-10 20:45 GMT+09:00 Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com>:<br>> >>><br>> >>> I noticed the existing language team page cannot be edited.<br>> >>> For example, <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ja">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ja</a> exists from<br>> >>> more than one year ago.<br>> >>> After this change, we can no longer edit the original page.<br>> >>> What should we do?<br>> >>><br>> >>> In addition, I18nTeam wiki page contains contents which is not<br>> >>> appropriate for translation,<br>> >>> for example, "Local Translation Teams" section.<br>> >>> As a local team coordinator, I don't like to display this section in a<br>> >>> translated version.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Thanks,<br>> >>> Akihiro<br>> >>><br>> >>> 2015-11-10 18:11 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>:<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Hi,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> As requested by Korean team, the wiki page of I18nTeam is translatable<br>> >>>> now.<br>> >>>> If you want to translate this page into your own language, please go<br>> >>>> ahead.<br>> >>>> Thank you.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Best regards<br>> >>>> Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>> Openstack-i18n mailing list<br>> >>>> Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org<br>> >>>> <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n</a><br>> >>>><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Openstack-i18n mailing list<br>> >> Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org<br>> >> <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > /Ian<br>> <br></tt><BR>
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