Open Stack

As long as it is easy to use and effective, any translation tool and
way will do.
I am not sure what is the best way to translate openstack wiki.

I don't think I can contribute this area, but
there are several important topics to be considered.

The pages in OpenStack wiki can be categorized into two areas:
- Official contents (top page, release notes and some useful information)
- Development purpose to share ideas
The first category is worth translated, but I don't see any value in
the second area.
IMO it is not a good idea to import all pages as a whole because
translators cannot
know which pages have priority and which pages do not.

In addition, MediaWiki has many directives.
When converting translated version of pages, such cases should be considered.
Some directives depends the structures (the directive I used to list
subpages is a good example)
These directives has no meaning in sub pages and they should not exist
in sub pages.

Thanks,
Akihiro

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc at cn.ibm.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Akihiro
>
> Maybe in some days, translation of important wiki pages become our team's
> official works.
> We need to find an efficient way for wiki translation while we are
> evaluating the new translation tools.
>
> I personally don't like to use MediaWiki directly as the translation tool.
> Because translation memory and glossary don't work here.
> But as a temporary solution, I think MediaWiki is good enough.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
>
> Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com> wrote on 2013/10/22 12:49:25:
>
>> Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com>
>> 2013/10/22 12:49
>
>>
>> To
>>
>> Gabriel Wainer <gabrielcw at gmail.com>,
>>
>> cc
>>
>> Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM at IBMCN, "openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org"
>> <openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org>
>
>>
>> Subject
>>
>> Re: [Openstack-i18n] Release notes
>>
>> Hi Daisy, Gabriel and all,
>>
>> I prefer to editing MediaWiki directly too. I believe it is more human
>> friendly interface.
>>
>> I would like to share small tips to track the changes in the English
>> pages.
>> I use the wiki history use to track the change in the original.
>>
>> ----
>> - Go to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana
>> - Click "Page" at left upper and select "History"
>> - You can see the history.
>> - Click a date of a page you use.
>> - You see a snopshot page of each revision
>> - Copy URL and paste it into your translation page.
>>   (e.g., https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=ReleaseNotes/
>> Havana&oldid=33339
>> )
>>
>> From this page you can check the diff to the latest page or newer version.
>> ----
>>
>> I think this is the version we started to discuss the release note
>> translation.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=ReleaseNotes/Havana&oldid=32971
>> There are a few updates in the original page.
>> https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=ReleaseNotes/
>> Havana&diff=cur&oldid=32971
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Akihiro
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Gabriel Wainer <gabrielcw at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > HI all,
>> >
>> > If the update goes like this, I wonder if I need to translate
>> > intotransifex
>> > at all. Because I prefer to do it directly in the wiki also...
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Gabriel.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc at cn.ibm.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, SungJin
>> >>
>> >> How is the wiki page going?
>> >> Do you need my help?
>> >>
>> >> Chinese translation is also finished.
>> >> I found Transifex was not so good at wiki page translation.
>> >> When I moved the translations to OpenStack wiki,
>> >> I made a lot of changes in the format.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
>> >>
>> >> SungJin Kang <gang.sungjin at gmail.com> wrote on 2013/10/22 01:30:21:
>> >>
>> >> > SungJin Kang <gang.sungjin at gmail.com>
>> >> > 2013/10/22 01:30
>> >> >
>> >> > To
>> >> >
>> >> > Gabriel Wainer <gabrielcw at gmail.com>,
>> >> >
>> >> > cc
>> >> >
>> >> > "openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org"
>> >> > <openstack-i18n at lists.openstack.org>
>> >> >
>> >> > Subject
>> >> >
>> >> > Re: [Openstack-i18n] Release notes
>> >> >
>> >> > huk......
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Orz......
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > 2013/10/22 Gabriel Wainer <gabrielcw at gmail.com>
>> >> > Oh man! I was creating the wiki page directly. I will copy to
>> >> > transifex since probably it will be overridden :/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM, SungJin Kang
>> >> > <gang.sungjin at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > ko_KR 100%...
>> >> >
>> >> > but I don't know from transifex to Wiki page.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Sungjin
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > 2013/10/22 Gabriel Wainer <gabrielcw at gmail.com>
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > pt_BR is around 30% done and counting.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Gabriel.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Akihiro Motoki <amotoki at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > How is your translation going?
>> >> >
>> >> > We Japanese team completed the translation of Havana release notes
>> >> > (with some reviews)
>> >> > and announced it on the japanese mailing lists and twitter Saturday
>> >> > night.
>> >> > It is really nice we have translated version of the release notes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Note that I have not created a link in the official release note page
>> >> > to translated wiki pages.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Akihiro
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc at cn.ibm.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/
>> Havana#OpenStack_Documentation
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I feel the release notes should be translated too.
>> >> > > Who has the same feeling ?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards
>> >> > > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >