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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I like option 3 too.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature"><b>Mario Pranjic</b><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/01/2017 05:06 PM, Alexandra
Settle wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
haven’t had any feedback regarding moving the Operations
Guide to the OpenStack wiki. I’m not taking silence as
compliance. I would really like to hear people’s opinions on
this matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To
recap:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Option
one:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Kill the Operations Guide completely and move the
Administration Guide to project repos.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Option
two:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Combine the Operations and Administration Guides (and then
this will be moved into the project-specific repos)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Option
three:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Move Operations Guide to OpenStack wiki (for ease of
operator-specific maintainability) and move the
Administration Guide to project repos.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Personally,
I think that option 3 is more realistic. The idea for the
last option is that operators are maintaining
operator-specific documentation and updating it as they go
along and we’re not losing anything by combining or
deleting. I don’t want to lose what we have by going with
option 1, and I think option 2 is just a workaround without
fixing the problem – we are not getting contributions to the
project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Alexandra
Settle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:a.settle@outlook.com"><a.settle@outlook.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 19, 2017 at 1:38 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Melvin Hillsman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mrhillsman@gmail.com"><mrhillsman@gmail.com></a>,
OpenStack Operators
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org"><openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openstack-operators] Fwd:
[openstack-dev] [openstack-doc] [dev] What's up doc?
Summit recap edition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Adding
to this, I would like to draw your attention to the last dot
point of my email:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“<i>One
of the key takeaways from the summit was the session that
I joint moderated with Melvin Hillsman regarding the
Operations and Administration Guides. You can find the
etherpad with notes here: <a
href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/admin-ops-guides"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/admin-ops-guides</a>
The session was really helpful – we were able to discuss
with the operators present the current situation of the
documentation team, and how they could help us maintain
the two guides, aimed at the same audience. The operator’s
present at the session agreed that the Administration
Guide was important, and could be maintained upstream.
However, they voted and agreed that the best course of
action for the Operations Guide was for it to be pulled
down and put into a wiki that the operators could manage
themselves. We will be looking at actioning this item as
soon as possible.”</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
would like to go ahead with this, but I would appreciate
feedback from operators who were not able to attend the
summit. In the etherpad you will see the three options that
the operators in the room recommended as being viable, and
the voted option being moving the Operations Guide out of
docs.openstack.org into a wiki. The aim of this was to
empower the operations community to take more control of the
updates in an environment they are more familiar with (and
available to others).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What
does everyone think of the proposed options? Questions?
Other thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Melvin
Hillsman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mrhillsman@gmail.com"><mrhillsman@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 19, 2017 at 1:30 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>OpenStack Operators
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org"><openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Openstack-operators] Fwd:
[openstack-dev] [openstack-doc] [dev] What's up doc?
Summit recap edition</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b>Alexandra Settle</b> <<a
href="mailto:a.settle@outlook.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">a.settle@outlook.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:12 AM<br>
Subject: [openstack-dev] [openstack-doc] [dev] What's up
doc? Summit recap edition<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
Cc: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage
questions)" <<a
href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
The OpenStack manuals project had a really
productive week at the OpenStack summit in Boston.
You can find a list of all the etherpads and
attendees here:
<a
href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-summit"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-summit</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">As we all know, we are
rapidly losing key contributors and core reviewers.
We are not alone, this is happening across the
board. It is making things harder, but not
impossible. Since our inception in 2010, we’ve been
climbing higher and higher trying to achieve the
best documentation we could, and uphold our high
standards. This is something to be incredibly proud
of. However, we now need to take a step back and
realise that the amount of work we are attempting to
maintain is now out of reach for the team size that
we have. At the moment we have 13 cores, of which
none are full time contributors or reviewers. This
includes myself.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">That being said! I have
spent the last week at the summit talking to some of
our leaders, including Doug Hellmann (cc’d),
Jonathan Bryce and Mike Perez regarding the future
of the project. Between myself and other community
members, we have been drafting plans and coming up
with a new direction that will hopefully be
sustainable in the long-term.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">I am interested to hear
your thoughts. I want to make sure that everyone
feels that we’re headed in the right direction first
and foremost. All of these action items are
documented in this WIP etherpad:
<a
href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-planning"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-planning</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Some further highlights
from the event… </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m1860632808214881066msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
documentation team was represented by myself, Olga,
and Alex Adamov for the Project Update:
Documentation on the Monday. If you’d like to catch
up with what we talked about, the video is available
online now:
<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcfbKxbpRvc"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcfbKxbpRvc</a>
The translation team PTL, Ian Choi, also had a
session about getting more involved with the I18N
team. You can view that video here:
<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybFI4nez_Z8"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybFI4nez_Z8</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m1860632808214881066msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ian and I also
hosted the joint I18N and documentation onboarding
session. We were visited by some friendly faces, and
some new ones. Between Ian and myself, we discussed
the documentation and translation workflows, and how
to get involved (the mailing list, IRC channel,
etc). Which was lots of fun :) we’d love to see more
people there in the future, hopefully we’ll slowly
get there!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m1860632808214881066msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This week I was
focusing heavily on making the community aware that
the documentation team was struggling to maintain
contributors, but continuing with the same amount of
work. This was a heavy conversation to be having,
but it posed some really interesting questions to
key leaders, and hopefully raised appropriate
concerns. Ildiko and I hosted “OpenStack
documentation: The future depends on all of us”.
This was a really interesting session. I was able to
pose to the group of attendees that the
documentation team was struggling to maintain
contributions. Major Hayden was kind enough to take
notes during the session, you can find those here:
<a
href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future</a>
The project teams that came and represented their
groups were interested in discussing the
project-specific documentation (is living in the
project’s repo tree the best place?) and voiced
concerns I had otherwise not heard before. I
recommend reading the notes to get a better idea :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m1860632808214881066msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kendall Nelson
and Ildiko also hosted a session on the OpenStack
Upstream Institute highlights. I recommend watching
the video which is now live and available here:
<a
href="https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/openstack-upstream-institute-highlights"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/openstack-upstream-institute-highlights</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m1860632808214881066msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">One of the key
takeaways from the summit was the session that I
joint moderated with Melvin Hillsman regarding the
Operations and Administration Guides. You can find
the etherpad with notes here:
<a
href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/admin-ops-guides"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/admin-ops-guides</a>
The session was really helpful – we were able to
discuss with the operators present the current
situation of the documentation team, and how they
could help us maintain the two guides, aimed at the
same audience. The operator’s present at the session
agreed that the Administration Guide was important,
and could be maintained upstream. However, they
voted and agreed that the best course of action for
the Operations Guide was for it to be pulled down
and put into a wiki that the operators could manage
themselves. We will be looking at actioning this
item as soon as possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">These action items will
free up the documentation team to become gate
keepers and reviewers of documentation. Our key
focus as a team will be on the tooling for the
<a href="http://docs.openstack.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">docs.openstack.org</a> site
(including the API docs).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m really interested to
hear everyone’s thoughts going forward – this is not
set in stone. We need to change our strategy, and
now is the time. If you’d rather reach out and
discuss this personally, <i>asettle</i> on IRC is
always the best place to find me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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