<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1479880565737_17449"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1479880565737_17448">No problem :) I simplified the spec to be more realistic about what we can achieve for Ocata.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1479880565737_17457"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1479880565737_17458" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1479880565737_17593"><a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394261/" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1479880565737_17592">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394261/</a><br></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 18 November 2016, 23:53, Steve Martinelli <s.martinelli@gmail.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2389740386"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv2389740386gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2389740386gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:04 PM, darren chan <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dazzachan@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:dazzachan@yahoo.com.au">dazzachan@yahoo.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2389740386gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:helveticaneue,;"><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><span id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_962347">Good timing, I was about to send a follow-up email about this spec.</span></div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><span id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_962419">I agree, this content needs to be more visible, which is why the spec proposed to move upgrade notes to the Upgrades chapter in the Operations Guide. However, it seems like the general consensus is to keep content in project repos because it is more likely to be maintained there. </span></div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="yiv2389740386gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:helveticaneue,;"><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"></div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><span id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_962704">Considering the Ocata development cycle is pretty short, we've already established our docs deliverables, and other projects are still developing upgrade notes, would links to the upgrade notes in the Ops Guide suffice in the interim? We can then propose and plan a better solution for Pike, such as in-tree official guides? </span></div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961818"><span>Thoughts?</span></div><span class="yiv2389740386gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> </font></span><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961769"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The project teams will always use the maintenance argument. But I understand your concern, and in my initial draft to the mailing list i was going to voice a similar statement. Maybe wait until teams have fleshed out their various supported upgrade strategies? <div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd90523"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd29911"><div><br clear="none"></div><div> </div></div><blockquote class="yiv2389740386gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:helveticaneue,;"><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd48059"><span class="yiv2389740386gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961769"></div><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961769">Darren</div></div><div><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-h5"><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd63500"><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961769"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961768" style="display:block;"><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd20798"> </div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961767" style="font-family:helveticaneue,;"><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd06670"> </div><div id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961766" style="font-family:helveticaneue,;"><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd45057"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_962080"><font id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_962079" size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 18 November 2016, 13:33, Lana Brindley <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:openstack@lanabrindley.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:openstack@lanabrindley.com">openstack@lanabrindley.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> </div><div class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326y_msg_container" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961765"><div class="yiv2389740386yqt0731830832" id="yiv2389740386yqtfd39011">Isn't that more or less what this is?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326edited-link-editor" id="yiv2389740386gmail-m_-1762375727631228326yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479267575590_961764" target="_blank" href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394261/">https://review.openstack.org/# /c/394261/</a></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Yup! Thanks for reading my mind docs team :)</div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>