<div dir="ltr">YES! As long as your tool of choice creates diagrams that meet the guidelines, which shouldn't lean toward any particular tool, use it. Diagrams often assist knowledge transfer in ways not possible with just words, so let's make contributions easier rather than harder. Also, we should consider review options for diagrams similar to my suggestions for general content. If someone contributes a technically accurate diagram, almost anyone can modify it to meet guidelines.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Shaun O'Meara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:someara@mirantis.com" target="_blank">someara@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">First off let me say that I am not an advocate of any one tool over another, none of the tools is perfect, and many are pretty horrible. <div><br></div><div>Ideally I would like to be in a situation that as a contributor I have a set of explicit guidelines and recommended tools that I can choose from to contribute in the most effective and efficient way for me. </div><div><br></div><div>To play devils advocate here, I don't believe that we can or should dictate tooling, but we can provide explicit style guidelines.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Shaun</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div><br>On Friday, May 13, 2016, Matt Kassawara <<a href="mailto:mkassawara@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkassawara@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think <a href="http://draw.io" target="_blank">draw.io</a> is one of the stronger plays, but has some of the same limitations as other online tools.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Nate Archer <span dir="ltr"><<a>Nate.Archer@rackspace.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Downside is when you open an SVG file in Draw.io that has been created in another tool, certain elements of the illustration might not show up. This problem is mitigated if you use Draw.io exclusively, as with any software.</div>
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<div>As Darren and Matt have pointed out, Inkscape is cumbersome to use, and has many of the same problems as Draw.io, without any of the strengths.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, May 13, 2016 at 7:36 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Christian Berendt <<a>christian@berendt.io</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">If you contribute diagrams, you'll quickly figure out that Inkscape is difficult to use and produces rough content at best. If we want OpenStack to appear more professional and less like a science experiment to our increasingly less technical
(read: decision makers) audience, we have to use a tool that creates professional looking content. Some of the online tools are surprisingly decent, so I wouldn't rule them out. Unfortunately, regardless of what we use, we're never going to have standardized
SVGs that any online or installed tools can consistently parse.</div>
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