<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Sean Roberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seanrob@yahoo-inc.com" target="_blank">seanrob@yahoo-inc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I'd normally be okay with the incubation subdir, but we have been communicating the current
<a href="http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides" target="_blank">docs.openstack.org/training-guides</a> for a while. I think it would be confusing to move it at this point. </div>
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<div>We three are on the review <a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96334/" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96334/</a></div>
<div>I need your stackforge comment so fungi and jeblair will release the infra patch. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Got it, noted there:</div><div><br></div><div>- <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">I'm fine with a redirect from already-published URLs while we re-boot the training project.</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">- </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif">Also, we use a stackforge project for the maven builds. So I am okay with publishing to <a href="http://docs.openstack.org">docs.openstack.org</a> but would like to indicate the training project's current status.</span></div>
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<div>- increase the quality of the training manuals</div>
<div>- set reader's expectations about the training manuals being community-based</div>
<div>- increase the contributor base and core reviewers</div>
<div>- ensure reuse of tools and content to avoid duplication of effort while still providing unique deliverables for training purposes</div>
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On Jun 9, 2014, at 6:18 AM, "Anne Gentle" <<a href="mailto:anne@openstack.org" target="_blank">anne@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">We are starting to hit some questions that I do not have ready answers to.?</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"> * where to store the data: Tom and I were initially thinking stackforge before incubation. move under the </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">openstack</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"> repo
org after incubation as </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">training</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">-</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">guides</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">.
fungi and jeblair are questioning a stackforge project publishing to</span><a href="http://docs.openstack.org/" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px" target="_blank"><span>docs</span>.<span>openstack</span>.org</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"> rather
than just </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">openstack</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">-</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">manuals</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">.
I do not have a great answer other than I believe Anne is good with that for now. If the </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">docs</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"> PTL
and team is okay with this, do I need to ask the TC as well?</span></div>
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<div>Yes, stackforge is the right placement. I'm fine with publishing to <a href="http://docs.openstack.org/" target="_blank">
docs.openstack.org/</a> -- we used to have <a href="http://docs.openstack.org/incubation/" target="_blank">
docs.openstack.org/incubation/</a> -- perhaps that URL is a good place?</div>
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<div>I want to back up a bit and make sure we all understand the goals here (many of these are listed in the Incubation Plan also):</div>
<div>- increase the quality of the training manuals</div>
<div>- set reader's expectations about the training manuals being community-based</div>
<div>- increase the contributor base and core reviewers</div>
<div>- ensure reuse of tools and content to avoid duplication of effort while still providing unique deliverables for training purposes</div>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"> * where to house the project: I would like it to stay under the documentation program. Any other ideas?</span></div>
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<div>I think that's the idea, that you'll fit within the Docs program, and your incubation plan below is a great start.</div>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Find here the all the incubation plan Q&A using the latest TC requirements</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Incubation_Plan" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px" target="_blank">https://wiki.<span>openstack</span>.org/wiki/<span>Training</span>-<span>guides</span>#Incubation_Plan</a><br>
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<div>Looks good, you might note that your builds use tox and keep updated with the global-requirements list.</div>
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<div>Thanks for asking Sean -- let's get this ramped up.</div>
<div>Anne</div>
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Sean Roberts, Stefano and I just had a very fruitful discussion<br>
regarding the training manuals project.<br>
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Thanks you all for discussing.<br>
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We think that it's time to allow the the training guides to become a<br>
free-standing project of its own accord, and start attracting<br>
significantly more people around it.<br>
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This will make it easier for contributors who just want to work on<br>
training to find the project, see lists of bugs and tasks relevant<br>
to them*, and also provide a clearer pathway toward becoming<br>
contributors, and eventually core reviewers.<br>
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It will also enable the training guides project to have its own<br>
policies, and allow the repository to be used for investigation of<br>
training infrastructure, such as the recent forays into moodle for<br>
example.<br>
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However, with every change such as this, there are drawbacks, and so<br>
we feel it's important to discuss these as well - and most<br>
importantly get your input.<br>
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For example, while we can continue to re-use tools and content, this<br>
would mean a different review queue and repository - which could<br>
frustrate if you are working across both projects.<br>
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I hope the intention is to continue to use inclusion of known tested<br>
content from the various other OpenStack repos as needed.<br>
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Sounds great to me. Thanks all!<br>
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* as opposed to the 400 odd in the openstack-manuals tracker!<br>
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