<html><body><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hey Nick,<br></div><div>I don't know. <span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">I've never been a fan of putting install and upgrade in</span><span id="DWT9094" class="ZmSearchResult" data-mce-style="background-color: #fffec4;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 254, 196);">for</span><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">mation together. They are two separate user processes (although not two different audiences), so you end up bulking the Install Guide, upgrade in</span><span id="DWT9096" class="ZmSearchResult" data-mce-style="background-color: #fffec4;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 254, 196);">for</span><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">mation is extremely version dependent (hence the typical tagging into</span><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);"> </span><span id="DWT8889" class="ZmSearchResult" data-mce-style="background-color: #fffec4;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 254, 196);"><span id="DWT9098" class="ZmSearchResult">release</span></span><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);"> </span><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">notes), and dev info coming in usually hits at different times as well.</span></div><div><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);"><br></span></div><div><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">I think putting it in the wiki is good, is easy to tag just for the Havana page. Will also update the general process in the Ops guide.</span></div><div><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);"><br></span></div><div><span data-mce-style="background-color: #fdfdfd;" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 253);">?</span></div><div>Summer</div><div><span name="x"></span><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Nick Chase" <nchase@mirantis.com><br><b>To: </b>"Anne Gentle" <annegentle@justwriteclick.com><br><b>Cc: </b>openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org, "Summer Long" <slong@redhat.com><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:39:40 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openstack-docs] Upgrading to Havana<br><div><br></div><p dir="ltr">Actually it sounds like an installation issue to me. Basically you are installing the same version as the install guide, but with the special case that you already have the previous version installed. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 17, 2013 11:12 PM, "Anne Gentle" <<a href="mailto:annegentle@justwriteclick.com" target="_blank">annegentle@justwriteclick.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Summer Long <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:slong@redhat.com" target="_blank">slong@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all,</div><div>Am triaging for bug day, and have signed up to do the upgrade notes (perhaps not on bug day, but you know what I mean). However, er, where should they go?</div><div><br></div><div>Currently, I'm only seeing the notes in the Ops manual, was there a consensus to put them somewhere else?</div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt">A new Upgrading article for the Havana page? The Installation Guide is already too bulky (would think).</span></div><div>Or have I missed them completely somewhere else?</div><div><br></div>
<div>Should they also be pulled out of the Ops guide (since upgrading is SO version-specific)?</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think the job of upgrading usually lands in an operator/architects lap, so I think the Ops Guide is the location. O'Reilly editor thinks so too. It shouldn't be written to be super version specific, though, if it can be helped. Here's the current section: <a href="http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/maintenance.html#upgrades" target="_blank">http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/maintenance.html#upgrades</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I hate to envision this, but I wonder if it could be its own guide? Blah. I stand by my request to have it in the Ops Guide.</div><div><br></div><div>Anne</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><div></div><div><br></div><div>thanks, Summer</div><span><span color="#888888" data-mce-style="color: #888888;" style="color: #888888;"><div><br></div><div><span></span><div>
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">-- </span><br><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">Summer Long</span><br><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">OpenStack Documentation Lead</span><br><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">Engineering Content Services</span><br>
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