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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Haïkel <hguemar at fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just registered to this list as someone just raised this topic to my
> attention. As one of the people maintaining RDO, I will answer some of
> the points raised.
> I'm not here to rant, but I get the feeling that you got frustrated by
> a bad experience with RDO so let's get on a better footing.
>
> > The Delorean repo is a pretty hilarious combination of old, out of date
> config files, and a few Mitaka packages thrown in for good measure
>
> Delorean is a continuous delivery platform, and there are multiples
> topics mixed up here:
> * old, out of date config files => RDO strategy is to rely on external
> installer (packstack or RDO Manager) to deploy and configure services.
> So yes, some out-of-date config files could be undetected, we try to
> fix them but AFAIK no tickets were opened.
> * packages are automatically built for every commit, so when Liberty
> was branched, there was a delay between we fixed delorean
> configuration to track the stable/liberty branch rather than master.
> Some Mitaka commits were built as packages, but it was fixed rather
> quickly.
>
>
> > The Red Hat packages, on the other hand, are missing quite a few crucial
> deps, including the PyMySQL deps.
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/python-PyMySQL/
> Note this topic was raised in RDO list few weeks ago while we fixed
> this with Fedora/RHEL python MySQL package maintainers months ahead of
> this discussion.
> And RDO repositories should have all the dependencies available, but
> yes, if you use Fedora repositories it could be out-of-sync as we're
> dependent from the Fedora Reviewing process.
>
> Yes, our process review can be quite long and I do most of the reviews
> here, but it's got better since I added a tracker to track all reviews
> blocking RDO (only non-critical reviews are remaining)
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1243533
>
> > Right now, the Fedora testing situation is slightly better than the Red
> Hat/CentOS one, thanks to Delorean being in slightly better shape, and
> thanks to Brian Moss's dogged determination in getting it working.
>
> Ironically, nope, RDO is better supported on CentOS as we have
> slightly more control on our workflow there. And I'm not aware of
> Brian Moss efforts, so it's likely not to be fixed in RDO.
>
>
> What bothers me is that some of these issues were never reported to
> us, so please open tickets or at least shout an angry mail at me :)
> Feel free to ping me in the future for RDO related topics, I'm
> number80 on freenode, I hang around #rdo, #openstack-stable and
> #openstack-rpm-packaging.
>

Thanks for this info Haïkel. From my view point which is admittedly a bit
removed this release, I wonder if it's not so much the packaging itself
that's a concern, but people to test and document the packages? Is there an
RDO community test and writing person who could come in earlier in the
release and work with our install guide team?

Sounds like we need earlier coordination, so if you're our contact person
that's fine, but might be nice to get you or another liaison integrated
sooner.

That said, let's find the right wording on the docs site for the people who
will be asking "what about RDO" starting tomorrow.

Anne


>
> Regards,
> H.
>
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