<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As the person who has asked for stable branch merge permission before, I felt the pain and I totally agree with mnaser's proposal.</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><font face="monospace">-</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace" color="#666666">Best regards,<br>Lingxian Kong</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace" color="#666666">Catalyst Cloud</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:03 AM Mohammed Naser <<a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:16 AM Thierry Carrez <<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org" target="_blank">thierry@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Ghanshyam Mann wrote:<br>
> > [...]<br>
> > I am still finding difficult to understand the change and how it will solve the current problem.<br>
> ><br>
> > The current problem is:<br>
> > * Fewer contributors in the stable-maintenance team (core stable team and project side stable team)<br>
> > which is nothing but we have fewer contributors who understand the stable policies.<br>
> ><br>
> > * The stable policies are not the problem so we will stick with current stable policies across all the projects.<br>
> > Stable policies have to be maintained at single place for consistency in backports across projects.<br>
> > [...]<br>
> I don't think that this the problem this change wants to solve.<br>
><br>
> Currently the stable-core team is perceived as a bottleneck to getting<br>
> more people into project-specific stable teams, or keeping those teams<br>
> membership up to date. As a result stable maintenance is still seen in<br>
> some teams as an alien thing, rather than an integral team duty.<br>
><br>
> I suspect that by getting out of the badge-granting game, stable-core<br>
> could focus more on stable policy definition and education, and review<br>
> how well or bad each team does on the stable front. Because reviewing<br>
> backports for stable branch suitability is just one part of doing stable<br>
> branch right -- the other is to actively backport relevant patches.<br>
><br>
> Personally, the main reason I support this change is that we have too<br>
> much "ask for permission" things in OpenStack today, something that was<br>
> driven by a code-review-for-everything culture. So the more we can<br>
> remove the need to ask for permission to do some work, the better.<br>
<br>
For context, I thought I'd gather my thoughts to explain the idea best and<br>
woke up to this well summarized email by Thierry. I agree with this and the<br>
intention is indeed what Thierry is mentioning here.<br>
<br>
> --<br>
> Thierry Carrez (ttx)<br>
><br>
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