<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Started a new thread to organize all this info better: </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009105.html">http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009105.html</a><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">-Kendall (diablo_rojo)</div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:16 AM Jay Bryant <<a href="mailto:jungleboyj@gmail.com">jungleboyj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Chris,<br>
<br>
Thank you for your questions. I agree that not having the election <br>
deprived the community of a chance to get to know the candidates better <br>
so I am happy to help out here. :-)<br>
<br>
Hope my thoughts in-line below make sense!<br>
<br>
Jay<br>
<br>
On 9/4/2019 5:32 AM, Chris Dent wrote:<br>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2019, Jeremy Stanley wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Thank you to all candidates who put their name forward for Project<br>
>> Team Lead (PTL) and Technical Committee (TC) in this election. A<br>
>> healthy, open process breeds trust in our decision making capability<br>
>> thank you to all those who make this process possible.<br>
><br>
> Congratulations and thank you to the people taking on these roles.<br>
><br>
> We need to talk about the fact that there was no opportunity to vote<br>
> in these "elections" (PTL or TC) because there were insufficient<br>
> candidates. No matter the quality of new leaders (this looks like a<br>
> good group), something is amiss. We danced around these issue for<br>
> the two years I was on the TC, but we never did anything concrete to<br>
> significantly change things, carrying on doing things in the same<br>
> way in a world where those ways no longer seemed to fit.<br>
><br>
> We can't claim any "seem" about it any more: OpenStack governance<br>
> and leadership structures do not fit and we need to figure out<br>
> the necessary adjustments.<br>
><br>
I was surprised that we didn't have any PTL elections. I don't know <br>
that this is all bad. At least in the case of the Cinder team it seems <br>
to be a process that we have just kind-of internalized. I got my chance <br>
to be PTL and was ready for a break. I had reached out to Brian <br>
Rosmaita some time ago and had been grooming him to take over. I had <br>
discussions with other people knew Brian was interested, so we went <br>
forward that way.<br>
<br>
I think this is a natural progression for where OpenStack is at right <br>
now. There isn't a lot of contention over how the project needs to be <br>
run right now. In the future that may change and I think having our <br>
election process is important for if and when that happens.<br>
<br>
> I haven't got any new ideas (which is part of why I left the TC).<br>
> My position has always been that with a vendor and enterprise led<br>
> project like OpenStack, where those vendors and enterprises are<br>
> operating in a huge market, staffing the commonwealth in a healthy<br>
> fashion is their responsibility. In large part because they are<br>
> responsible for making OpenStack resistant to "casual" contribution<br>
> in the first place (e.g., "hardware defined software").<br>
><br>
> We get people, sometimes, but it is not healthy:<br>
><br>
> i may see different cross-sections of the community than others<br>
> do, but i feel like there's been a strong tone of burnout since<br>
> 2012 [1]<br>
><br>
This is a very real concern for me. We do have a very few people who <br>
have taken over a lot of responsibility for OpenStack and are getting <br>
burned out. We also need to have more companies start investing in <br>
OpenStack again. We can't, however, force them to participate.<br>
<br>
I know from my last year or so at Lenovo that there are customers with <br>
real interest in OpenStack. OpenStack is running in the real world. I <br>
don't know if it is just working for people or if the customers are <br>
modifying it themselves and not contributing back. It would be <br>
interesting to get numbers on this. Not sure how we can do that. I am <br>
afraid, in the past, that the community got a reputation of being 'too <br>
hard to contribute to'. If that perception is still hurting us now it <br>
is something that we need to address.<br>
<br>
I think that some of the lack of participation is also due to cultural <br>
differences in the geos where OpenStack has been expanding. That is a <br>
very hard problem to address.<br>
<br>
> We drastically need to change the expectations we place on ourselves<br>
> in terms of velocity.<br>
><br>
> [1] <br>
> <a href="http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2019-09-04.log.html#t2019-09-04T00:26:35" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2019-09-04.log.html#t2019-09-04T00:26:35</a><br>
><br>
>> Ghanshyam Mann (gmann)<br>
>> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)<br>
>> Jay Bryant (jungleboyj)<br>
>> Kevin Carter (cloudnull)<br>
>> Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo)<br>
>> Nate Johnston (njohnston)<br>
><br>
> Since there was no need to vote, there was no need to campaign,<br>
> which means we will be missing out on the Q&A period. I've found<br>
> those very useful for understanding the issues that are present in<br>
> the community and for generating ideas on what to about them. I<br>
> think it is good to have that process anyway so I'll start:<br>
><br>
> What do you think we, as a community, can do about the situation<br>
> described above? What do you as a TC member hope to do yourself?<br>
><br>
I addressed this a bit in my candidacy note. I think that we need to <br>
continue to improve our education and on-boarding processes. Though I <br>
don't think it is hard to contribute successfully to OpenStack, there is <br>
a lot of tribal knowledge required to be successful in OpenStack. <br>
Documenting those things will help.<br>
<br>
I would like to work with the foundation to reach out to companies and <br>
find out why they are less likely to participate than they used to be. <br>
People are using OpenStack ... why aren't they contributing. Perhaps it <br>
is a question that we could add to the user survey. I know when I had <br>
the foundation reach out to companies that were about to lose their <br>
drivers from Cinder, we got responses. So, I think that is a path we <br>
could consider.<br>
<br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
<br>
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