<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><div id="gmail-magicdomid205" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid205" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Just reaching you out with a brief PTG summary for the Manila team. Thanks to everyone who attended and participated in-person and remote!</div><div id="gmail-magicdomid207" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid208" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Here's the PTG notes etherpad: </span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-train" style="cursor: pointer;">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-train</a></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid208" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid208" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="gmail-magicdomid201" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>High points</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid202" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">- We had a highly productive PTG, albeit shorter than the previous times we've met as a group. It reminded us of the old Design Summit times, although we weren't doing smaller time slots during the Summit week, but rather had a separate time to catch up. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid203" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">- We had ample time to do cross-project sync up; however, there were unavoidable overlaps. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid204" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">- It was also great to have many engineers travel to both the summit and the PTG.</span></div></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid209" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid210" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">The following is a summary of notes organized with action items and owner/s.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid211" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid212" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Cross project goals</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid213" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid214" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Identified current cross project goals, being them PDF rendering and IPv6 support</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid215" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">For the first case, we rely on the current documentation we have and on the docs team to guide us on the changes we need to do to have PDF rendering support</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid216" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">For the latter, we have been supporting IPv6 on manila for a while now and we have CI enabled to exercise this configuration.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid217" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid218" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Work with asettle to understand what it's need to be done to comply with the PDF rendering goal</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid219" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Create an IPv6 only job in manila - many of our jobs run with 4+6, where we're currently doing IPv6 data path testing.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid220" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner: Not yet defined</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid221" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid222" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Auto-snapshotting of manila shares</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid223" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"> Summary: </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid224" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">CERN had a use case that required cloud administrator driven automatic snapshots at pre-configured intervals, with pre-configured retention policies. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid225" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">The team discussed ways the automation can occur with the existing API. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid226" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">There are some backend specific extra-specs that can allow offloading the responsibility of periodic snapshots, and pruning of snapshots per retention policy. There is a disadvantage here that these snapshots are invisible to manila; and do not count against the project quotas - They also require knowing backend special sauce.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid227" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Snapshotting of multiple shares can be achieved with Share Groups</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid228" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">To make this occur without end-user actions, one would need to build tooling with these APIs - Maybe Mistral can be harnessed to do workflow scheduling and automation per business logic.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid229" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action: CERN will explore these options and revert with their thoughts</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid230" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: CERN/Jose Castro Leon/josecastroleon</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid231" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid232" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"> </span><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Manila in k8s</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid233" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"> Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid234" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Robert Vasek/gman0 has an initial implementation of the CSI driver on the cloud-provider-openstack repo. We're seeking reviewers to merge it</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid235" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://github.com/kubernetes/cloud-provider-openstack/pull/536" style="cursor: pointer;">https://github.com/kubernetes/cloud-provider-openstack/pull/536</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid236" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Next set of TODOs:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid237" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Robert's application to GSOC is pending, if he gets sponsorship, he might lead some of the following efforts:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid238" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">e2e testing in the OpenLab CI for the manila-csi-provisioner</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid239" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Testing with an NFS backend</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid240" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">AZ awareness / Topology based scheduling support</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid241" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Snapshot support</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid242" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Volume expansion</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid243" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">NoAuth mode for using the provisioner in single-tenant deployments</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid244" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Manila differentiates abilities to take snapshots of shares, cloning these snapshots into new shares, mounting snapshots (with access control) and reverting shares to snapshots in place. CephFS supports snapshots, however, does not support rapid cloning - this feature gap exists for OpenStack use case as well. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid245" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Plans to build snapshot cloning capability into Manila and generically within the CSI provisioner were discussed. We'll evolve this design in the coming months. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid246" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action Items:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid247" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Continue on plan to build and support manila-csi-provisioner (gman0, Tomas Smatena/tsmatena, Goutham Ravi/gouthamr, Tom Barron/tbarron, Victoria Martinez de la Cruz/vkmc, manila community)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid248" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Gather user feedback for the usecase for CEPH snapshots (josecastroleon and Xing Yang/xyang - Ask CERN and Huawei if they care about a slower "create-share-from-snapshot" over not having the ability at all.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid249" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owners: as identified above ^</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid250" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid251" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>OpenStack Client and OpenStack SDK</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid252" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"> Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid253" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Manila lags in supporting OSC. Work began late in the Stein cycle to bridge this gap:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid254" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Specification: </span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://review.opendev.org/#/c/644218/" style="cursor: pointer;">https://review.opendev.org/#/c/644218/</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid255" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Initial Code: </span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://review.opendev.org/#/c/642222/" style="cursor: pointer;">https://review.opendev.org/#/c/642222/</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid256" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We have an Outreachy Intern starting with the manila team (Soledad Kuczala/s0ru) - Sofia Enriquez/enriquetaso and vkmc will be mentoring the intern</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid257" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">CERN may offer cycles to cover some of the development work</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid258" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Amit Oren/amito submitted changes to add manila support to the openstacksdk:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid259" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b> </b></span><span class="gmail-b gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://review.opendev.org/#/c/638782/" style="cursor: pointer;"><b>https://review.opendev.org/#/c/638782/</b></a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid260" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Team agreed to use the existing manilaclient SDK (in python-manilaclient) for the OSC instead of using the openstacksdk right away until we achieve feature parity in the openstacksdk project</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid261" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action Items:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid262" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Start Working Group to plan/coordinate OSC implementation</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid263" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Identify minimum set of commands to implement and extended set to achieve parity with existing client</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid264" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Allow support for using "openstack share" and "manila" to invoke manila CLI commands - the latter is essential to support manila running standalone.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid265" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Deprecate the existing manila clients in favor of the newer OpenStack CLI (and corresponding manila bash shell equivalent)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid266" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Review the openstacksdk change and identify feature gaps</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid267" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: s0ru, enriquetaso, vkmc, amito, gouthamr, josecastroleon</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid268" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid269" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>SemVer in manila releases</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid270" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary: This was a recap of how we are versioning the manila deliverables as we release them</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid271" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">"manila" gets a major version bump every release</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid272" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Client releases indicate backwards compatibility by not bumping up the major release version. Minor version (and micro-version) bumps are done per policy based off of what changes are being released</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid273" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">The general guideline to follow is that of pbr versioning notes here: </span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://docs.openstack.org/pbr/latest/user/semver.html" style="cursor: pointer;">https://docs.openstack.org/pbr/latest/user/semver.html</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid274" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Defer to the judgement of the OpenStack release team when in doubt</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid275" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items: None</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid276" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: None</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid277" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid278" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Create share from snapshots in another pool or back end</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid279" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid280" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">This specification has new owners who explained how they plan to implement this feature </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid281" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">The main concerns for the proposed spec (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://review.opendev.org/#/c/609537/)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://review.opendev.org/#/c/609537/)</a></span><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"> were around the user experience and administrator control of the scheduling</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid282" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Existing scheduling capabilities will be used to determine when a snapshot has to be cloned into a new pool rather than its existing pool.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid283" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Users can influence the scheduler's decision by specifying the availability zone or a different share type</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid284" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Implementation will be two-phased - a driver optimized approach followed by a generic approach</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid285" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action Items:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid286" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Re-target specification to Train, assign to new owners</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid287" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Implement driver-driven snapshot cloning to different pool</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid288" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: Douglas Viroel/dviroel, Lucio Seki/lseki, Erlon Cruz/erlon</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid289" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid290" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Security Service password</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid291" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid292" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Manila stores the security service password as plaintext in its database. It also allows all users within the tenant to retrieve the password via the security service API. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid293" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1817316" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1817316</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid294" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We discussed adding barbican and castellan support to manila and making it a hard dependency by including their clients into the requirements.txt</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid295" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Appropriate key management software will be a soft dependency, and there will be a recommendation about which key management backend can be used - a soft dependency to manila.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid296" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action Items:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid297" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Disallow retrieving password from the security services API</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid298" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Investigate use of Barbican/Castellan to store security services API password - change representation in the database</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid299" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: Not yet identified</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid300" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid301" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Edge Requirements and active/active</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid302" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid303" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Active-active</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid304" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Manila share manager service running active/active - this has been a request from a long time, from traditional data center workloads as well as for newer/Edge workloads</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid305" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Ganesha active/active - this allows datapath high availability for the CephFS-NFS driver</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid306" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Edge</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid307" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">The goal of edge is to distribute services better, with latency considerations. We rely in deployment tools such as TripleO to do this work. This implementation has started already in some other projects (e.g. Cinder). TripleO supports and edge topology already. It's mainly hyperconverged OpenStack at the edge. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid308" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Initial users are telco customers running NFVs, 5G</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid309" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Other services have been configured to be deployed on the edge</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid310" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet4" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 6em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Cinder started on this effort last cycle</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid311" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet4" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 6em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Cinder - qualify at least one driver to work in an active-active volume service</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid312" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet5" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 7.5em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Is tooz supported for cinder-volume at the edge?</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid313" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet5" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 7.5em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">What tooz backend is being deployed? -> etcd deployed at each edge</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid314" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid315" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Introduce a multi-node job in the manila repository to test active-active deployment in the gate</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid316" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Audit the usage of oslo_concurrency based file locks in the share manager service, replace these with tooz based locks</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid317" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Design a leader election based workflow for asynchronous/time based tasks occuring within the share manager</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid318" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: gouthamr</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid319" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid320" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>OpenStack technical vision</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid321" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid322" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">This was a discussion of the TC OpenStack Vision Document: </span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/technical-vision.html" style="cursor: pointer;">https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/technical-vision.html</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid323" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Tom submitted a proposal that is for review in </span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636770/" style="cursor: pointer;">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636770/</a></span><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">. Based on this we exchanged some ideas regarding the accuracy of this document.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid324" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items: Reviewers are needed to check this proposal.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid325" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: tbarron</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid326" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid327" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>API Improvements: Pagination and Filtering</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid328" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary: In the last couple of cycles several bugs were filed wrt pagination and filtering for our API. Precisely,</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid329" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Can't filter/list resources that have no key=value metadata/extra-specs (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1782847)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1782847)</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid330" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Pagination does not speed up list queries (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1795463)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1795463)</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid331" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">next share_links contains not supported marker field (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1819167)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1819167)</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid332" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items: Look for volunteers wishing to work on the reported bugs. Bug/1795463 is being followed up by carloss.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid333" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: Each bug has its asignee</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid334" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid335" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>CI Improvements: Rationalizing our jobs</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid336" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary: This discussion focused on the current status of our CI. It's fairly complex and we noticed that we need to simplify it to focus our resources better. Main highlights are:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid337" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We test 8 FOSS/first party drivers (Generic DHSS=True, Generic DHSS=False, Container, LVM, ZFSOnLinux, CEPHFS-Native, CEPHFS-NFS, ~~~Dummy~~~)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid338" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We test two databases - mysql, postgresql</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid339" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We run API and scenario tests (together in some cases, individually as "manila-tempest-dsvm-scenario" (Generic driver DHSS=True)</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid340" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We run python2 and python3 jobs</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid341" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We run same jobs in manila-tempest-plugin and manila repos</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid342" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items: </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid343" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Generic driver with DHSS=False will be removed; </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid344" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">the job for Generic driver with DHSS=True can be combined with dsvm-scenario. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid345" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Unify tempest api and scenario tests for all drivers, even if that means we must bump timeouts.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid346" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: gouthamr</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid347" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid348" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Generic Driver improvements</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid349" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary: </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid350" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">There are lot of issues (even for usage at the gate) wrt the Generic Driver and nobody has enough bandwitch to work on all of them. Some of the known issues are:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid351" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">It has a single point of failure, since there is no HA for the share servers created by manila</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid352" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Attach / re-attach issues - timeouts</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid353" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">We need to figure out is there are people using the generic driver, understand better if we need to keep it or if it can be substituted for a different driver.  Ben Swartzlander had a "NextGen" generic driver that is stuck in review because there's no migration path to move shares between the two different implementations of the generic driver:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid354" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet3" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 4.5em;list-style-type:square"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://review.opendev.org/#/c/511038/" style="cursor: pointer;">https://review.opendev.org/#/c/511038/</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid355" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">There are some production users of the Generic Driver that seem to have solved the SPOF (Single point of failure) issues in private forks of manila. If they are interested in sharing the love upstream, the manila community will be very welcoming. </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid356" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items: </span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid357" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Continue to look for alternatives to the generic driver for CI.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid358" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Discuss in following upstream Manila meetings.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid359" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: None</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid360" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid361" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-b" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><b>Bugs</b></span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid362" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Summary:</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid363" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Force flag on the snapshot creation API (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1811336)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1811336)</a></span><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"> Considered to be a doc bug. Need to clarify this in the bug report. Marked as a "low-hanging-fruit" for new volunteers.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid364" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Limit share size (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1811943)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1811943)</a></span><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">. The team is interested in this one, we replied to the reporter during the PTG. We need to keep the dicussion going and look for a volunteer to work on this.</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid365" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet2" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 3em;list-style-type:circle"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Incompatible protocol/access types in the API (</span><span class="gmail-url" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1637542)" style="cursor: pointer;">https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1637542)</a></span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid366" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Action items: None in particular, triaged during the PTG</span></li></ul></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid367" class="gmail-ace-line" style="padding-right:1px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><ul class="gmail-list-bullet1" style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 0px 1.5em"><li style="padding:0px;margin:0px"><span class="gmail-" style="padding-top:1px;padding-bottom:1px">Owner/s: None</span></li></ul><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Victoria</div></div></div></div>