<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Julien, Doug, and others,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks for your comments. Your concerns make a lot of sense. I just have a couple of thoughts on this.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">For envisioning Telemetry future, I do need help from existing contributors and users. The reasons for me to volunteer are I believe Ceilometer/Aodh is still critical for OpenStack and they're embedded in many of other projects that I'm working on (Fenix, Tacker, etc.). Also, I wouldn't do this without Lingxian and his team expertise. Lingxian could be the great PTL but he's too busy with the other two projects (Qinling and Trove) so I want to give him a hand.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I can see my role as the PTL (just like Searchlight which I never touch before becoming its PTL) is a contact point and a coordinator that help to push Telemetry toward common goals that the team agreed. Moreover, I do believe in PTL's main job is helping and encouraging potential contributors. So my main goal for Telemetry in Train is to sustain the project with a strong base of contributors and a healthy community until I can find a replacement.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Bests,</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:52 AM Tim Bell <<a href="mailto:Tim.Bell@cern.ch">Tim.Bell@cern.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...)<br>
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It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area.<br>
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Tim<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Doug Hellmann <<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>><br>
Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06<br>
To: Lingxian Kong <<a href="mailto:anlin.kong@gmail.com" target="_blank">anlin.kong@gmail.com</a>>, Mohammed Naser <<a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com" target="_blank">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a>><br>
Cc: Julien Danjou <<a href="mailto:julien@danjou.info" target="_blank">julien@danjou.info</a>>, Trinh Nguyen <<a href="mailto:dangtrinhnt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dangtrinhnt@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train<br>
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Lingxian Kong <<a href="mailto:anlin.kong@gmail.com" target="_blank">anlin.kong@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
<br>
> I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have<br>
> also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer<br>
> for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as<br>
> well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years.<br>
><br>
> Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they<br>
> are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could<br>
> help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I<br>
> (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed.<br>
><br>
> Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed<br>
> a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers<br>
> and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole<br>
> community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a<br>
> project.<br>
<br>
I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base<br>
for the project is so small.<br>
<br>
I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you<br>
for volunteering!<br>
<br>
Doug<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Lingxian Kong<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <<a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com" target="_blank">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the<br>
>> project would be in great hands.<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>><br>
>> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Julien Danjou <<a href="mailto:julien@danjou.info" target="_blank">julien@danjou.info</a>> writes:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi Trinh,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has<br>
>> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack.<br>
>> We and<br>
>> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry)<br>
>> so we<br>
>> >>> don't want that happen.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the<br>
>> current PTL<br>
>> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together<br>
>> to<br>
>> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating<br>
>> that I<br>
>> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry<br>
>> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer<br>
>> give<br>
>> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack<br>
>> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm<br>
>> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice.<br>
>> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project<br>
>> >> for being tagged as abandoned?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Julien Danjou<br>
>> >> // Free Software hacker<br>
>> >> // <a href="https://julien.danjou.info" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://julien.danjou.info</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between<br>
>> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed<br>
>> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Doug<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Doug<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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