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On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:42 AM Takashi Kajinami <tkajinam at redhat.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:28 AM Ghanshyam Mann <gmann at ghanshyammann.com> wrote:
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>>  ---- On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 02:01:38 -0700  Slawek Kaplonski  wrote ---
>>  > Hi,
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>>  > Dnia wtorek, 11 kwietnia 2023 10:49:44 CEST Takashi Kajinami pisze:
>>  > > This probably causes a bit wider effect than just retiring the winstackers
>>  > > project.
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>>  > > I see some projects (cinde, designate, glance and os-brick) depend on
>>  > > os-win which is under
>>  > > governance of winstackers and will be retired. Also, even some more
>>  > > projects (Neutron, os-vif,
>>  > > ovsdbapp, oslo.log, etc) supports windows without os-win.
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>>  > > If we retire Winstackers, then is it reasonable to remove all
>>  > > implementations to support Windows ?
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>>  > That's very good question IMO. And, from Neutron perspective very important according to the removal of netifaces dependency - it would be much easier to remove it by removing all "windows" module from Neutron repo rather than refactoring it.
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>> I agree. Thanks, Takashi for raising it.
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>> If we retire Winstackers then yes, it means all dependencies of any functionality (user-facing or internal)
>> need to be removed also. This is not a good situation for us as window support of OpenStack, if I am
>> not wrong, Cloudbase is the only company maintaining and supporting the window support since starting.
>> If there is any company having their customer based on windows then this is the right time to step up and help
>> in maintaining this project. Otherway (based on project wants and have the bandwidth) is to implement the
>> alternate way in projects for window support (the one you mentioned has window support ).
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> Please correct me if I'm wrong but what cloudbase has been maintaining is support for windows guest
> instead of windows host.
that is incorrect cloudbase provide the third party ci that test
deploying openstack compute nodes on windows.
that is the in/out of tree hyperV virt driver and the ovs on windows
supprot used with os-vif and neuton ml2/ovs plugsins on windows.

while we are happy to review fixes for hyper v /windows hows we now no
longer have any way to test these changes in ci ro locally as we
don't have a maintained way to deploy devstack on hyper v/windows hosts.

out side fo the cloud base init package which is optional there is no
depency on cloudbase to support windows guest.
that is unaffected. but windows host support is now effectivly
unmainated and untested.

> My previous question was about Windows host support (whether we can remove
> all implementations to run OpenStack services in windows hosts, instead of linux hosts) and guest support
> can be kept now.
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>> -gmann
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>>  > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 6:29 AM Ghanshyam Mann gmann at ghanshyammann.com>
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>>  > > > Thanks, Lucian, for the updates and email link.
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>>  > > > As the next step, we will discuss it in TC and take the next action.
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>>  > > > -gmann
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>>  > > >  ---- On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 00:11:38 -0700  Lucian Petrut  wrote ---
>>  > > >  > Hi,
>>  > > >  > Thanks for reaching out. As mentioned here [1], Cloudbase Solutions can
>>  > > > no longer lead the Winstackers project. Since there weren’t any other
>>  > > > interested parties, I think there’s no other option but to retire the
>>  > > > project.
>>  > > >  > [1]
>>  > > > https://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-November/031044.html
>>  > > >  > Regards,Lucian Petrut
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>>  > > >  > On 22 Mar 2023, at 19:43, Ghanshyam Mann gmann at ghanshyammann.com>
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>>  > > >  > Hi Lukas,
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>>  > > >  > I am reaching out to you as you were PTL for OpenStack Winstackers
>>  > > > project in the last cycle.
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>>  > > >  > There is no PTL candidate for the next cycle (2023.2), and it is on the
>>  > > > leaderless project list. Please
>>  > > >  > check if you or anyone you know would like to lead this project.
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>>  > > >  > - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/2023.2-leaderless
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>>  > > >  > Also, if anyone else would like to help leading this project, this is
>>  > > > time to let TC knows.
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>>  > > >  > -gmann
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>>  > --
>>  > Slawek Kaplonski
>>  > Principal Software Engineer
>>  > Red Hat
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