[tc] The future of the "Help most needed" list

Sean Mooney smooney at redhat.com
Thu Jan 31 12:48:41 UTC 2019

On Fri, 2019-02-01 at 00:32 +1300, Lingxian Kong wrote:
> Huge +1 from me. 
> If the team want help, they need to offer some help first. We could also work with kinds of internship programmes like
> Outreachy.
> Cheers,
> Lingxian Kong
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:48 PM Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > The "Help most needed" list[1] was created by the Technical Committee to 
> > clearly describe areas of the OpenStack open source project which were 
> > in the most need of urgent help. This was done partly to facilitate 
> > communications with corporate sponsors and engineering managers, and be 
> > able to point them to an official statement of need from "the project".
> > 
> > [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/help-most-needed.html
> > 
> > This list encounters two issues. First it's hard to limit entries: a lot 
> > of projects teams, SIGs and other forms of working groups could use 
> > extra help. But more importantly, this list has had a very limited 
> > impact -- new contributors did not exactly magically show up in the 
> > areas we designated as in most need of help.
> > 
> > When we raised that topic (again) at a Board+TC meeting, a suggestion 
> > was made that we should turn the list more into a "job description" 
> > style that would make it more palatable to the corporate world. I fear 
> > that would not really solve the underlying issue (which is that at our 
> > stage of the hype curve, no organization really has spare contributors 
> > to throw at random hard problems).
> > 
> > So I wonder if we should not reframe the list and make it less "this 
> > team needs help" and more "I offer peer-mentoring in this team". A list 
> > of contributor internships offers, rather than a call for corporate help 
> > in the dark. I feel like that would be more of a win-win offer, and more 
> > likely to appeal to students, or OpenStack users trying to contribute back.
> > 
> > Proper 1:1 mentoring takes a lot of time, and I'm not underestimating 
> > that. Only people that are ready to dedicate mentoring time should show 
> > up on this new "list"... which is why it should really list identified 
> > individuals rather than anonymous teams. It should also probably be 
> > one-off offers -- once taken, the offer should probably go off the list.
> > 
> > Thoughts on that? Do you think reframing help-needed as 
> > mentoring-offered could help? Do you have alternate suggestions?
perhaps but since this is the frist time i have heard of the help-needed list
maybe we should jsut merge it into openstack-discuss and use a [help-needed] or [mentoring] lable
so its more discoverably?
> > 

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