[tc] [all] Please help verify the role of the TC

Chris Dent cdent+os at anticdent.org
Thu Jan 17 12:00:22 UTC 2019

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019, Zane Bitter wrote:

>> Thus: What if the TC and PTLs were the same thing? Would it become
>> more obvious that there's too much in play to make progress in a
>> unified direction (on the thing called OpenStack), leading us to
>> choose less to do, and choose more consistency and actionable
>> leadership? And would it enable some power to execute on that
>> leadership.
> I'm not sure we need to speculate, because as you know the TC and PTLs 
> literally were the same thing prior to 2014-ish. My recollection is that 
> there were pluses and minuses, but on the whole I don't think it had the 
> effect you're suggesting it might.

Part and parcel of what I'm suggesting is that less stuff would be
considered in the domain of "what do we do?" such that the tyranny of
the old/existing projects that you describe is a feature not a bug,
as an in-built constraint.

It's not a future I really like, but it is one strategy for enabling
moving in one direction: cut some stuff. Stop letting so many
flowers bloom.

Letting those flowers bloom is in the camp of "contribution in
all its many and diverse forms".

> It doesn't seem that any of the various permutations of the 
> PTLs-as-TC-members proposal in this thread are workable, for reasons that 
> others have already covered plus a few more: all cause a perverse incentive 
> to create new official projects; many rely on coercing people who are already 
> capable of winning seats on their own merit to work as TC members when they 
> have chosen not to for whatever reason.

Yes to all that. I don't think there's an easy solution here, but
it's useful to explore the problem space, even if it is simply to
see if people think there's a problem.

> I think I have more to say about this another day, but here is a crazy 
> thought: what if the list is too big because the ideas are too small? What if 
> we can't agree because the stakes are so low?

I don't think that's a crazy thought, and thank you for bringing it
around to this, I hoped someone would get there eventually.

This is in the camp of "stuff could be so much better".

Which makes it pretty clear that the two voices I described are not
actually in opposition.

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