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<div>Awesome! IMO it works for us.</div>
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Thanks<br />
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Renat Akhmerov<br />
@Nokia</div>
<div name="messageReplySection" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, sans-serif;">On 20 Oct 2018, 01:19 +0700, Ken Giusti <kgiusti@gmail.com>, wrote:<br />
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<div>Hi Renat,</div>
<div>After discussing this a bit with Ben on IRC we're going to push the removal off to T milestone 1.</div>
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<div>I really like Ben's idea re: adding a blocking entry to your project's setup.cfg file. We can remove the explicit check for blocking in oslo.messaging so you won't get an annoying warning if you want to load blocking on your own.</div>
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<div>Let me know what you think, thanks.<br /></div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:02 AM Renat Akhmerov <<a href="mailto:renat.akhmerov@gmail.com">renat.akhmerov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br /></div>
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<div>@Ken, I understand your considerations. I get that. I’m only asking not to remove it *for now*. And yes, if you think it should be discouraged from using it’s totally fine. But practically, it’s been the only reliable option for Mistral so far that may be our fault, I have to admit, because we weren’t able to make it work well with other executor types but we’ll try to fix that.</div>
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<div>By the way, I was playing with different options yesterday and it seems like that setting the executor to “threading” and the “executor_thread_pool_size” property to 1 behaves the same way as “blocking”. So may be that’s an option for us too, even if “blocking” is completely removed. But I would still be in favour of having some extra time to prove that with thorough testing.</div>
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<div>@Ben, including the executor via setup.cfg also looks OK to me. I see no issues with this approach.</div>
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<div class="m_2702295498263353739matchFont">Thanks<br style="font-size:14px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,sans-serif" />
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<div name="messageReplySection" style="font-size:14px;font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,sans-serif">On 18 Oct 2018, 23:35 +0700, Ben Nemec <<a href="mailto:openstack@nemebean.com" target="_blank">openstack@nemebean.com</a>>, wrote:<br />
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On 10/18/18 9:59 AM, Ken Giusti wrote:<br />
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The biggest issue with the blocking executor (IMHO) is that it blocks<br />
the protocol I/O while RPC processing is in progress. This increases<br />
the likelihood that protocol processing will not get done in a timely<br />
manner and things start to fail in weird ways. These failures are<br />
timing related and are typically hard to reproduce or root-cause. This<br />
isn't something we can fix as blocking is the nature of the executor.<br />
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If we are to leave it in we'd really want to discourage its use.<br /></blockquote>
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Since it appears the actual executor code lives in futurist, would it be<br />
possible to remove the entrypoint for blocking from oslo.messaging and<br />
have mistral just pull it in with their setup.cfg? Seems like they<br />
should be able to add something like:<br />
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oslo.messaging.executors =<br />
blocking = futurist:SynchronousExecutor<br />
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to their setup.cfg to keep it available to them even if we drop it from<br />
oslo.messaging itself. That seems like a good way to strongly discourage<br />
use of it while still making it available to projects that are really<br />
sure they want it.<br />
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However I'm ok with leaving it available if the policy for using<br />
blocking is 'use at your own risk', meaning that bug reports may have to<br />
be marked 'won't fix' if we have reason to believe that blocking is at<br />
fault. That implies removing 'blocking' as the default executor value<br />
in the API and having applications explicitly choose it. And we keep<br />
the deprecation warning.<br />
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We could perhaps implement time duration checks around the executor<br />
callout and log a warning if the executor blocked for an extended amount<br />
of time (extended=TBD).<br />
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Other opinions so we can come to a consensus?<br />
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 3:24 AM Renat Akhmerov <<a href="mailto:renat.akhmerov@gmail.com" target="_blank">renat.akhmerov@gmail.com</a><br />
<mailto:<a href="mailto:renat.akhmerov@gmail.com" target="_blank">renat.akhmerov@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br />
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Hi Oslo Team,<br />
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Can we retain “blocking” executor for now in Oslo Messaging?<br />
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Some background..<br />
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For a while we had to use Oslo Messaging with “blocking” executor in<br />
Mistral because of incompatibility of MySQL driver with green<br />
threads when choosing “eventlet” executor. Under certain conditions<br />
we would get deadlocks between green threads. Some time ago we<br />
switched to using PyMysql driver which is eventlet friendly and did<br />
a number of tests that showed that we could safely switch to<br />
“eventlet” executor (with that driver) so we introduced a new option<br />
in Mistral where we could choose an executor in Oslo Messaging. The<br />
corresponding bug is [1].<br />
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The issue is that we recently found that not everything actually<br />
works as expected when using combination PyMysql + “eventlet”<br />
executor. We also tried “threading” executor and the system *seems*<br />
to work with it but surprisingly performance is much worse.<br />
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Given all of that we’d like to ask Oslo Team not to remove<br />
“blocking” executor for now completely, if that’s possible. We have<br />
a strong motivation to switch to “eventlet” for other reasons<br />
(parallelism => better performance etc.) but seems like we need some<br />
time to make it smoothly.<br />
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[1] <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1696469" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1696469</a><br />
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Thanks<br />
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Renat Akhmerov<br />
@Nokia<br />
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