<div dir="auto">Thanks Anita, will definitely do as you kindly suggested :)</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 12:04 PM Anita Kuno <<a href="mailto:anteaya@anteaya.info">anteaya@anteaya.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2018-09-18 08:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:<br>
> On 2018-09-18 11:26:57 +0900 (+0900), Ghanshyam Mann wrote:<br>
> [...]<br>
>> I can understand that IRC cannot be used in China which is very<br>
>> painful and mostly it is used weChat.<br>
> [...]<br>
> <br>
> I have yet to hear anyone provide first-hand confirmation that<br>
> access to Freenode's IRC servers is explicitly blocked by the<br>
> mainland Chinese government. There has been a lot of speculation<br>
> that the usual draconian corporate firewall policies (surprise, the<br>
> rest of the World gets to struggle with those too, it's not just a<br>
> problem in China) are blocking a variety of messaging protocols from<br>
> workplace networks and the people who encounter this can't tell the<br>
> difference because they're already accustomed to much of their other<br>
> communications being blocked at the border. I too have heard from<br>
> someone who's heard from someone that "IRC can't be used in China"<br>
> but the concrete reasons why continue to be missing from these<br>
> discussions.<br>
> <br>
<br>
I'll reply to this email arbitrarily in order to comply with Zhipeng <br>
Huang's wishes that the conversation concerned with understanding the <br>
actual obstacles to communication takes place on the mailing list. I do <br>
hope I am posting to the correct thread.<br>
<br>
In response to part of your comment on the patch at <br>
<a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602697/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602697/</a> which you posted about 5 hours <br>
ago you said "@Anita you are absolutely right it is only me stuck my <br>
head out speaks itself the problem I stated in the patch. Many of the <br>
community tools that we are comfortable with are not that accessible to <br>
a broader ecosystem. And please assured that I meant I refer the patch <br>
to the Chinese community, as Leong also did on the ML, to try to bring <br>
them over to join the convo." and I would like to reply.<br>
<br>
I would like to say that I am honoured by your generosity. Thank you. <br>
Now, when the Chinese community consumes the patch, as well as the <br>
conversation in the comments, please encourage folks to ask for <br>
clarification if any descriptions or phrases don't make sense to them. <br>
One of the best ways of ensuring clear communication is to start off <br>
slowly and take the time to ask what the other side means. It can seem <br>
tedious and a waste of time, but I have found it to be very educational <br>
and helpful in understanding how the other person perceives the <br>
situation. It also helps me to understand how I am creating obstacles in <br>
ways that I talk.<br>
<br>
Taking time to clarify helps me to adjust how I am speaking so that my <br>
meaning is more likely to be understood by the group to which I am <br>
trying to offer my perspective. I do appreciate that many people are <br>
trying to avoid embarrassment, but I have never found any way to <br>
understand people in a culture that is not the one I group up in, other <br>
than embarrassing myself and working through it. Usually I find the <br>
group I am wanting to understand is more than willing to rescue me from <br>
my embarrassment and support me in my learning. In a strange way, the <br>
embarrassment is kind of helpful in order to create understanding <br>
between myself and those people I am trying to understand.<br>
<br>
Thank you, Anita<br>
<br>
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