<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">I though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the Foundation.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Two separate issues that perhaps got mashed together :) <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unofficial WeChat channels are limited to ~500 participants and are invite-only. That makes a few challenges for a community of our size (much more than 500!). Official subscription channels don’t have these limitations, but there’s a lengthy process to get one. It’s currently in progress (unfortunately I don’t think we have an ETA beyond “in progress” at this point—more than one month; less than six months?).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Lance Bragstad <<a href="mailto:lbragstad@gmail.com" class="">lbragstad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 1:42 PM Mohammed Naser <<a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com" class="">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">On that note, is there any way to get an 'invite' onto those channels?<br class=""><br class="">Any information about the foundation side of things about the<br class="">'official' channels?<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I actually have a question about this as well. During the TC discussion last Friday there was representation from the Foundation in the room. I though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the Foundation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does anyone know what issues were being referred to here?</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Mohammed<br class="">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 3:28 PM Samuel Cassiba <<a href="mailto:samuel@cassi.ba" class="">samuel@cassi.ba</a>> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:58 AM Sylvain Bauza <<a href="mailto:sylvain.bauza@gmail.com" class="">sylvain.bauza@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">> ><br class="">> ><br class="">> ><br class="">> > Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 15:32, Jeremy Stanley <<a href="mailto:fungi@yuggoth.org" class="">fungi@yuggoth.org</a>> a écrit :<br class="">> >><br class="">> >> On 2018-09-16 14:14:41 +0200 (+0200), Jean-philippe Evrard wrote:<br class="">> >> [...]<br class="">> >> > - What is the problem joining Wechat will solve (keeping in mind the<br class="">> >> > language barrier)?<br class="">> >><br class="">> >> As I understand it, the suggestion is that mere presence of project<br class="">> >> leadership in venues where this emerging subset of our community<br class="">> >> gathers would provide a strong signal that we support them and care<br class="">> >> about their experience with the software.<br class="">> >><br class="">> >> > - Isn't this problem already solved for other languages with<br class="">> >> > existing initiatives like local ambassadors and i18n team? Why<br class="">> >> > aren't these relevant?<br class="">> >> [...]<br class="">> >><br class="">> >> It seems like there are at least couple of factors at play here:<br class="">> >> first the significant number of users and contributors within<br class="">> >> mainland China compared to other regions (analysis suggests there<br class="">> >> were nearly as many contributors to the Rocky release from China as<br class="">> >> the USA), but second there may be facets of Chinese culture which<br class="">> >> make this sort of demonstrative presence a much stronger signal than<br class="">> >> it would be in other cultures.<br class="">> >><br class="">> >> > - Pardon my ignorance here, what is the problem with email? (I<br class="">> >> > understand some chat systems might be blocked, I thought emails<br class="">> >> > would be fine, and the lowest common denominator).<br class="">> >><br class="">> >> Someone in the TC room (forgive me, I don't recall who now, maybe<br class="">> >> Rico?) asserted that Chinese contributors generally only read the<br class="">> >> first message in any given thread (perhaps just looking for possible<br class="">> >> announcements?) and that if they _do_ attempt to read through some<br class="">> >> of the longer threads they don't participate in them because the<br class="">> >> discussion is presumed to be over and decisions final by the time<br class="">> >> they "reach the end" (I guess not realizing that it's perfectly fine<br class="">> >> to reply to a month-old discussion and try to help alter course on<br class="">> >> things if you have an actual concern?).<br class="">> >><br class="">> ><br class="">> > While I understand the technical issues that could be due using IRC in China, I still don't get why opening the gates and saying WeChat being yet another official channel would prevent our community from fragmenting.<br class="">> ><br class="">> > Truly the usage of IRC is certainly questionable, but if we have multiple ways to discuss, I just doubt we could prevent us to silo ourselves between our personal usages.<br class="">> > Either we consider the new channels as being only for southbound communication, or we envisage the possibility, as a community, to migrate from IRC to elsewhere (I'm particulary not fan of the latter so I would challenge this but I can understand the reasons)<br class="">> ><br class="">> > -Sylvain<br class="">> ><br class="">><br class="">> Objectively, I don't see a way to endorse something other than IRC<br class="">> without some form of collective presence on more than just Wechat to<br class="">> keep the message intact. IRC is the official messaging platform, for<br class="">> whatever that's worth these days. However, at present, it makes less<br class="">> and less sense to explicitly eschew other outlets in favor. From a<br class="">> Chef OpenStack perspective, the common medium is, perhaps not<br class="">> unsurprising, code review. Everything else evolved over time to be<br class="">> southbound paths to the code, including most of the conversation<br class="">> taking place there as opposed to IRC.<br class="">><br class="">> The continuation of this thread only confirms that there is already<br class="">> fragmentation in the community, and that people on each side of the<br class="">> void genuinely want to close that gap. At this point, the thing to do<br class="">> is prevent further fragmentation of the intent. It is, however, far<br class="">> easier to bikeshed over which platform of choice.<br class="">><br class="">> At present, it seems a collective presence is forming ad hoc,<br class="">> regardless of any such resolution. With some additional coordination<br class="">> and planning, I think that there could be something that could scale<br class="">> beyond one or two outlets.<br class="">><br class="">> Best,<br class="">> Samuel<br class="">><br class="">> __________________________________________________________________________<br class="">> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br class="">> Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe" rel="noreferrer" class="">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" rel="noreferrer" class="">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Mohammed Naser — vexxhost<br class="">-----------------------------------------------------<br class="">D. 514-316-8872<br class="">D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200<br class="">E.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com" class="">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a><br class="">W.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://vexxhost.com/" rel="noreferrer" class="">http://vexxhost.com</a><br class=""><br class="">__________________________________________________________________________<br class="">OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br class="">Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe" rel="noreferrer" class="">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" rel="noreferrer" class="">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><br class=""></blockquote></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; 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