<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:06 PM Anne Bertucio <<a href="mailto:anne@openstack.org">anne@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>I though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the Foundation.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Two separate issues that perhaps got mashed together :) <div><br></div><div>Unofficial WeChat channels are limited to ~500 participants and are invite-only. That makes a few challenges for a community of our size (much more than 500!). Official subscription channels don’t have these limitations, but there’s a lengthy process to get one. It’s currently in progress (unfortunately I don’t think we have an ETA beyond “in progress†at this point—more than one month; less than six months?).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Weird! Isn't Tencent a platinum sponsor? Can we please ask them for help move this forward?</div><div><br></div><div>(cc'ing Ruan He)</div><div><br></div><div>-- Dims</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div></div><div>  <br><div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>Anne Bertucio</div><div>OpenStack Foundation</div><div><a href="mailto:anne@openstack.org" target="_blank">anne@openstack.org</a> | irc: annabelleB</div><div><br></div></div><br class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Lance Bragstad <<a href="mailto:lbragstad@gmail.com" target="_blank">lbragstad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 1:42 PM Mohammed Naser <<a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com" target="_blank">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br><br>On that note, is there any way to get an 'invite' onto those channels?<br><br>Any information about the foundation side of things about the<br>'official' channels?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I actually have a question about this as well. During the TC discussion last Friday there was representation from the Foundation in the room. I though I remember someone (annabelleB?) saying there were known issues (technical or otherwise) regarding the official channels spun up by the Foundation.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone know what issues were being referred to here?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>Thanks,<br>Mohammed<br>On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 3:28 PM Samuel Cassiba <<a href="mailto:samuel@cassi.ba" target="_blank">samuel@cassi.ba</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 6:58 AM Sylvain Bauza <<a href="mailto:sylvain.bauza@gmail.com" target="_blank">sylvain.bauza@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 15:32, Jeremy Stanley <<a href="mailto:fungi@yuggoth.org" target="_blank">fungi@yuggoth.org</a>> a écrit :<br>> >><br>> >> On 2018-09-16 14:14:41 +0200 (+0200), Jean-philippe Evrard wrote:<br>> >> [...]<br>> >> > - What is the problem joining Wechat will solve (keeping in mind the<br>> >> > language barrier)?<br>> >><br>> >> As I understand it, the suggestion is that mere presence of project<br>> >> leadership in venues where this emerging subset of our community<br>> >> gathers would provide a strong signal that we support them and care<br>> >> about their experience with the software.<br>> >><br>> >> > - Isn't this problem already solved for other languages with<br>> >> > existing initiatives like local ambassadors and i18n team? Why<br>> >> > aren't these relevant?<br>> >> [...]<br>> >><br>> >> It seems like there are at least couple of factors at play here:<br>> >> first the significant number of users and contributors within<br>> >> mainland China compared to other regions (analysis suggests there<br>> >> were nearly as many contributors to the Rocky release from China as<br>> >> the USA), but second there may be facets of Chinese culture which<br>> >> make this sort of demonstrative presence a much stronger signal than<br>> >> it would be in other cultures.<br>> >><br>> >> > - Pardon my ignorance here, what is the problem with email? (I<br>> >> > understand some chat systems might be blocked, I thought emails<br>> >> > would be fine, and the lowest common denominator).<br>> >><br>> >> Someone in the TC room (forgive me, I don't recall who now, maybe<br>> >> Rico?) asserted that Chinese contributors generally only read the<br>> >> first message in any given thread (perhaps just looking for possible<br>> >> announcements?) and that if they _do_ attempt to read through some<br>> >> of the longer threads they don't participate in them because the<br>> >> discussion is presumed to be over and decisions final by the time<br>> >> they "reach the end" (I guess not realizing that it's perfectly fine<br>> >> to reply to a month-old discussion and try to help alter course on<br>> >> things if you have an actual concern?).<br>> >><br>> ><br>> > While I understand the technical issues that could be due using IRC in China, I still don't get why opening the gates and saying WeChat being yet another official channel would prevent our community from fragmenting.<br>> ><br>> > Truly the usage of IRC is certainly questionable, but if we have multiple ways to discuss, I just doubt we could prevent us to silo ourselves between our personal usages.<br>> > Either we consider the new channels as being only for southbound communication, or we envisage the possibility, as a community, to migrate from IRC to elsewhere (I'm particulary not fan of the latter so I would challenge this but I can understand the reasons)<br>> ><br>> > -Sylvain<br>> ><br>><br>> Objectively, I don't see a way to endorse something other than IRC<br>> without some form of collective presence on more than just Wechat to<br>> keep the message intact. IRC is the official messaging platform, for<br>> whatever that's worth these days. However, at present, it makes less<br>> and less sense to explicitly eschew other outlets in favor. From a<br>> Chef OpenStack perspective, the common medium is, perhaps not<br>> unsurprising, code review. Everything else evolved over time to be<br>> southbound paths to the code, including most of the conversation<br>> taking place there as opposed to IRC.<br>><br>> The continuation of this thread only confirms that there is already<br>> fragmentation in the community, and that people on each side of the<br>> void genuinely want to close that gap. At this point, the thing to do<br>> is prevent further fragmentation of the intent. It is, however, far<br>> easier to bikeshed over which platform of choice.<br>><br>> At present, it seems a collective presence is forming ad hoc,<br>> regardless of any such resolution. With some additional coordination<br>> and planning, I think that there could be something that could scale<br>> beyond one or two outlets.<br>><br>> Best,<br>> Samuel<br>><br>> __________________________________________________________________________<br>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>> Unsubscribe:<span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe</a><br>><span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><br><br><br><br>--<span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Mohammed Naser — vexxhost<br>-----------------------------------------------------<br>D. 514-316-8872<br>D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200<br>E.<span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mnaser@vexxhost.com" target="_blank">mnaser@vexxhost.com</a><br>W.<span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://vexxhost.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://vexxhost.com</a><br><br>__________________________________________________________________________<br>OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>Unsubscribe:<span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org/?subject:unsubscribe" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe</a><br><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a><br></blockquote></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">__________________________________________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Unsubscribe:<span class="m_2059687982160897669Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org</a><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">?subject:unsubscribe</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>__________________________________________________________________________<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Davanum Srinivas :: <a href="https://twitter.com/dims" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/dims</a></div></div>