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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">Responses in-lined below,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest)" <gergely.csatari@nokia.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, June 8, 2018 at 3:39 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Waines <Greg.Waines@windriver.com>, "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>, "edge-computing@lists.openstack.org" <edge-computing@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Edge-computing] [edge][glance][mixmatch]: Wiki of the possible architectures for image synchronisation</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Going inline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Waines, Greg [mailto:Greg.Waines@windriver.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:24 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had some additional questions/comments on the Image Synchronization Options (
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment</a> ):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>One Glance with multiple backends</u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">In this scenario, are all Edge Clouds simply configured with the one central glance for its GLANCE ENDPOINT ?
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo1">i.e. GLANCE is a typical shared service in a multi-region environment ?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in">[G0]: In my understanding yes. <o:p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">If so,<br>
how does this OPTION support the requirement for Edge Cloud Operation when disconnected from Central Location ?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in">[G0]: This is an open question for me also.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Several Glances with an independent synchronization service (PUSH)</u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">I refer to this as the PUSH model<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">I don’t believe you have to ( or necessarily should) rely on the backend to do the synchronization of the images
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo2">i.e. the ‘Synch Service’ could do this strictly through Glance REST APIs
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(making it independent of the particular Glance backend ... and allowing the Glance Backends at Central and Edge sites to actually be different)<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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[G0]: Okay, I can update the wiki to reflect this. Should we keep the “synchronization by the backend” option as an other alternative?<br>
<span style="color:red">[Greg] Yeah we should keep it as an alternative.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">I think the ‘Synch Service’ MUST be able to support ‘selective/multicast’ distribution of Images from Central to Edge for Image Synchronization
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo2">i.e. you don’t want Central Site pushing ALL images to ALL Edge Sites ... especially for the small Edge Sites<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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[G0]: Yes, the question is how to define these synchronization policies.<br>
<span style="color:red">[Greg] Agreed ... we’ve had some very high-level discussions with end users, but haven’t put together a proposal yet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">Not sure ... but I didn’t think this was the model being used in mixmatch ... thought mixmatch was more the PULL model (below)<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">[G0]: Yes, this is more or less my understanding. I remove the mixmatch reference from this chapter.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>One Glance and multiple Glance API Servers (PULL)</u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">I refer to this as the PULL model<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">This is the current model supported in StarlingX’s Distributed Cloud sub-project
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3">We run glance-api on all Edge Clouds ... that talk to glance-registry on the Central Cloud, and<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3">We have glance-api setup for caching such that only the first access to an particular image incurs the latency of the image transfer from Central to Edge<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">[G0]: Do you do image caching in Glance API or do you rely in the image cache in Nova? In the Forum session there were some discussions about this and I think the conclusion was that using the image cache of Nova
is enough.<br>
<span style="color:red">[Greg] We enabled image caching in the Glance API.<br>
I believe that Nova Image Caching caches at the compute node ... this would work ok for all-in-one edge clouds or small edge clouds.<br>
But glance-api caching caches at the edge cloud level, so works better for large edge clouds with lots of compute nodes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"> <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">this PULL model affectively implements the location aware synchronization you talk about below, (i.e. synchronise images only to those cloud instances where they are needed)?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In StarlingX Distributed Cloud, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We plan on supporting both the PUSH and PULL model ... suspect there are use cases for both.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[G0]: This means that you need an architecture supporting both.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just for my curiosity what is the use case for the pull model once you have the push model in place?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">[Greg] The PULL model certainly results in the most efficient distribution of images ... basically images are distributed ONLY to edge clouds that explicitly use the image.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">Also if the use case is NOT concerned about incurring the latency of the image transfer from Central to Edge on the FIRST use of image then the PULL model could be preferred ... TBD.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is the updated wiki: <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment">
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">[Greg] Looks good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gerg0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest)" <<a href="mailto:gergely.csatari@nokia.com">gergely.csatari@nokia.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 6:49 AM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Edge-computing] [edge][glance][mixmatch]: Wiki of the possible architectures for image synchronisation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did some work ont he figures and realised, that I have some questions related to the alternative options:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Multiple backends option: <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>What is the API between Glance and the Glance backends?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>How is it possible to implement location aware synchronisation (synchronise images only to those cloud instances where they are needed)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>Is it possible to have different OpenStack versions in the different cloud instances?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>Can a cloud instance use the locally synchronised images in case of a network connection break?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>Is it possible to implement this without storing database credentials ont he edge cloud instances?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Independent synchronisation service: <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>If I understood [<a href="https://mixmatch.readthedocs.io/en/latest/">1</a>] correctly mixmatch can help Nova to attach a remote volume, but it will not help in synchronizing the images. is this true?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I promised in the Edge Compute Group call I plan to organize an IRC review meeting to check the wiki. Please indicate your availability in [<a href="https://doodle.com/poll/bddg65vyh4qwxpk5">2</a>].<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[1]: <a href="https://mixmatch.readthedocs.io/en/latest/">https://mixmatch.readthedocs.io/en/latest/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[2]: <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/bddg65vyh4qwxpk5">https://doodle.com/poll/bddg65vyh4qwxpk5</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Br, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gerg0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Csatari, Gergely (Nokia - HU/Budapest) <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> [edge][glance]: Wiki of the possible architectures for image synchronisation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here I send the wiki page [<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment">1</a>] where I summarize what I understood from the Forum session about image synchronisation in edge environment [2], [3].<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please check and correct/comment. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gerg0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[1]: <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment">
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Image_handling_in_edge_environment</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[2]: <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/yvr-edge-cloud-images">
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/yvr-edge-cloud-images</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[3]: <span class="author-a-z75z2oz122zz71zz87zz67zz89zz69zz82zw1z122zz65zz82zh">
<a href="https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21768/image-handling-in-an-edge-cloud-infrastructure">https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21768/image-handling-in-an-edge-cloud-infrastructure</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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