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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologize I have some ‘newbie’ questions on zun.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have looked a bit at zun ... a few slide decks and a few summit presentation videos.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am somewhat familiar with old container orchestration attempts in openstack ... nova and heat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And somewhat familiar with Magnum for COEs on VMs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question 1:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">in long term, will ZUN manage containers hosted by OpenStack VMs or OpenStack Hosts or both ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think the answer is both, and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think technically ZUN will manage the containers in OpenStack VM(s) or OpenStack Host(s), thru a COE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">where the COE is kubernetes, swarm, mesos ... or, initially, some very simple default COE provided by ZUN itself.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question 2: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">what is currently supported in MASTER ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question 3: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">in the scenario where ZUN is managing containers thru Kubernetes directly on OpenStack Host(s)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I believe the intent is that,<br>
at the same time, and on the same OpenStack Host(s),<br>
NOVA is managing VMs on the OpenStack Host(s)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">??? Has anyone started to look at the Resource Management / Arbitration of the OpenStack Host’s Resources,<br>
between ZUN and NOVA ???<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question 4: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">again, in the scenario where ZUN is managing containers thru Kubernetes directly on OpenStack Host(s)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">what are the Technical Pros / Cons of this approach, relative to using OpenStack VM(s) ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">PROs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:red"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">??? does this really use less resources than the VM Scenario ???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:red"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:red">is there an example you can walk me thru ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I suppose that instead of pre-allocating resources to a fairly large VM for hosting containers,<br>
you would only use the resources for the containers that are actually launched, <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">CONs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">§<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">for application containers, you are restricted by the OS running on the OpenStack Host,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">WIND RIVER <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Titanium Cloud<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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