<div dir="auto">"as an operator"? That's not related to the iPhone developer use case (user usability) at all. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For users, they just boot a VM and Nova will call the API and neutron will setup a network/router/etc on demand and return it so there is nothing the user has to do. <br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you have issues with operator usability, that relates to improvements to the openstack networking guide, but that's not what this thread is about. </div><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 13, 2017 10:50, "Clint Byrum" <<a href="mailto:clint@fewbar.com">clint@fewbar.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2017-01-12 22:38:46 -0800:<br>
<div class="quoted-text">> Kevin Benton wrote:<br>
> > If you don't want users to specify network details, then use the get me<br>
> > a network extension or just have them boot to a public (or other<br>
> > pre-created) network.<br>
> ><br>
> > In your thought experiment, why is your iPhone app developer not just<br>
> > using a PaaS that handles instance scaling, load balancing and HA? Why<br>
> > would he/she want to spend time managing security updates and log<br>
> > rotation for an operating system running inside another program<br>
> > pretending to be hardware? Different levels of abstraction solve<br>
> > different use cases.<br>
><br>
> Fair point, probably mr/mrs iPhone app developer should be doing that.<br>
><br>
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</div>I totally disagree. If PaaS was the answer, they'd all be using PaaS.<br>
<br>
Maybe some day, but that's no excuse for having an overly complex story<br>
for the base. I totally appreciate that "Get me a network" is an effort<br>
to address this. But after reading docs on it, I actually have no idea<br>
how it works or how to make use of it (I do have a decent understanding<br>
of how to setup a default subnetpool as an operator).<br>
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