<div dir="ltr">There are some interesting points in this topic. I agree entirely with Sam Yaple. It does not make sense to me to have kolla-ansible and kolla-kubernetes cores involved with the introduction of a new deliverable under the kolla umbrella. A new deliverable (read: project, really) should not rely on a separate project to ratify its existence. I feel this is dangerous. I also feel looking at the different deployment methodologies scoped under the kolla project as competition or rivalry is folly. I'm honestly a bit concerned about how broad the scope of the project kolla has become. I think the conversation of separating the deployment projects from the kolla umbrella is a conversation worth having at some point.<div><br></div><div>The repo split was a step in the right direction, but currently the deliverables (4, if kolla-salt becomes a thing) are sharing a single PTL, a single IRC channel, and a single IRC weekly meeting. This has the potential of introducing a significant amount of overhead for the overarching project as a whole. What happens if kolla-puppet becomes a thing? What if kolla-mesos was still about? I think we can all agree this gets out of hand quickly.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, people are religious about the tools they use, and deployment tools are no different. I think scoping them all under the same umbrella project is a mistake in the long term. The folks that want to focus on Ansible should be able to focus wholly on Ansible with like-minded folks, same for Salt, same for whatever. Having them remain together for the sake of sharing a name isn't sustainable in the long term -- let each do what they do well. As far as being able to talk and share experiences in deployments or whatever, let's not act as if IRC channels have walls we can't reach across. As part of the kolla-kubernetes community, it's imperative that I can reach across the gap to work with people in the Helm and Kubernetes community. If the deployment tools existed separately, there's nothing stopping them from asking either.</div><div><br></div><div>But in regards to the question, if kolla-salt is to be a thing, I think the PTL and the kolla team proper can decide that. As a contributor for kolla-kubernetes, it does not and should not affect me.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Doug Hellmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Excerpts from Michał Jastrzębski's message of 2017-01-05 11:45:49 -0800:<br>
<span class="">> I think total separation of projects would require much larger<br>
> discussion in community. Currently we agreed on having kolla-ansible<br>
> and kolla-k8s to be deliverables under kolla umbrella from historical<br>
> reasons. Also I don't agree that there is "little or no overlap" in<br>
> teams, in fact there is ton of overlap, just not 100%. Many<br>
> contributors (myself included) jump between deliverables today.<br>
<br>
</span>OK, that's good to know. It wasn't clear from some of the initial<br>
messages in this thread, which seemed to imply otherwise.<br>
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Doug<br>
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