<div dir="auto"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 14, 2016 7:03 PM, "Steven Dake (stdake)" <<a href="mailto:stdake@cisco.com">stdake@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Swapnil,<br>
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If you want to do that, please add it to the meeting agenda here:<br>
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstack.org/<wbr>wiki/Meetings/Kolla</a><br>
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Regards<br>
-steve<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Swapnil Kulkarni <<a href="mailto:coolsvap@gmail.com">coolsvap@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:22 AM<br>
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.<wbr>openstack.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested<br>
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</div><div class="elided-text"> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Thierry Carrez <<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org">thierry@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Ed Leafe wrote:<br>
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <<a href="mailto:stdake@cisco.com">stdake@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> The issue raised is they violate the 4 opens.<br>
>><br>
>> Not necessarily. If you have regular planning meetings and discussions in an open manner as prescribed, an occasional conference to discuss a particular matter is not a "violation". What if someone in your office is working on OpenStack too, and you meet in the hallway and discuss something technical? Does that violate the 4 Opens?<br>
>><br>
>> I think we have to balance realism with idealism.<br>
><br>
> Like I said elsewhere, this is not about suppressing any type of visual<br>
> or more direct interaction... It is about making sure you are not<br>
> excluding anyone from a project.<br>
><br>
> In the precise case we are discussing here, there are complaints from<br>
> contributors to a project that recent Hangouts meetings used in the<br>
> Kolla team results in them being excluded (either technically by not<br>
> being able to join them, or creating additional difficulties for<br>
> non-native language speakers to follow or participate in them).<br>
><br>
> I'm all for giving teams a bit of flexibility in how they organize, but<br>
> if the process chosen by some of the contributors is clearly excluding<br>
> other contributors, falling back to a more inclusive medium (like IRC<br>
> meetings) is the obvious solution. Jeffrey took the hard step of raising<br>
> the issue, I don't think ignoring his point and pretending Hangout<br>
> meetings are just fine will get you anywhere.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Thierry Carrez (ttx)<br>
><br>
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I do not believe anyone is willing to exclude contributors at any<br>
stage. If such (mis)understanding is there, it needs to be discussed<br>
why it is there and how to remediate it since it's not good for the<br>
community and is diverting the focus.<br>
Let's have 5-10 mins in today's weekly meeting where we get the facts<br>
together behind the issue and try to bring it to a conclusion.<br>
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OR have a detailed discussion on #openstack-kolla<br>
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