<div dir="ltr">Hi Thierry, <br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Thierry Carrez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org" target="_blank">thierry@openstack.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Andrey Kurilin wrote:<br>
> I'm happy to announce our new chats at <a href="http://gitter.im" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gitter.im</a> <<a href="http://gitter.im" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://gitter.im</a>> :<br>
> [...]<br>
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While I understand where you're coming from, I would like to remind you<br>
that the OpenStack community standardized on IRC for community<br>
communication. Maintaining alternate communication channels might make<br>
it slightly easier for your team members, but it makes it more difficult<br>
for others in the OpenStack community to follow what is happening, and<br>
participate to Rally development. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>As I said before, we do not plan to abandon our regular IRC channel and we <br>have a bot for synchronisation messages between gitter and irc channels, so <br>users from Gitter can participate in IRC discussions,<span id="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-result_box" class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-short_text" lang="en"><span class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-"> and</span> <span class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-">vice versa</span> users from IRC<br>can ping guys from our Gitter channel. </span>It is just an extension of rally communication <br>workflow, not replacement of IRC at all.<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This is why as part of the official<br>
OpenStack project team requirements we have usage of IRC baked in.<br>
<br>
IRC is a standard protocol, implemented in a lot of open source clients.<br>
Alternatives like Slack or Gitter are closed-source services with terms<br>
of use (and future decisions on openness and pricing) that may or may<br>
not be acceptable by our community members -- using them creates<br>
fragmentation within the OpenStack community.<br>
<br>
That is not saying that IRC is perfect and that we will never move to<br>
something else. But when we do, it will be as a community (and after an<br>
open community discussion) and not project per project. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can believe that OpenStack community will move from Freenode to another <br>IRC service (if Freenode dies) someday, but moving to another protocol is unbelievable <br>thing for me. OpenStack community will never do it. :) <span id="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-result_box" class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-short_text" lang="en"><span>We'd rather</span> maintain <br>IRC protocol by ourself...<br></span></div><div><span id="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-result_box" class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-short_text" lang="en"><br></span></div><div><span id="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-result_box" class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-short_text" lang="en">That is why Rally-community decided to use "not-irc tool" without cross-project <br>discussion. BUT, as I said before, we did it without breaking compatibility with<br></span></div><div><span id="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-result_box" class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-short_text" lang="en">other OpenStack projects and we will not do it..<br></span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It is also<br>
likely to be toward an open protocol supported by open source software,<br>
rather than one specific third-party proprietary web service.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why? Why we can not use convenient free for opensource projects things?<br>Why not enjoy all the advantages of the modern world?:) It is out of current topic, but <br>why we use inconvenient launchpad instead of bitbucket and so on?<span id="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-result_box" class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-" lang="en"><span></span></span><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Regards,<br>
<span class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Thierry Carrez (ttx)<br>
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</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail-m_-2641865366817136539m_-4185570102434572117gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Best regards,<br>Andrey Kurilin.<br></div></div>
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