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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Clint,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I disagree that modules (which are really plugins) must be licensed under GPLv3. You may license any module code as you like (i.e. ASL2.0) and include it in a GPLv3 project via Ansible
modules because the modules act as plugins. The ASL2.0 license does taint, however, it does not matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">We run Ansible via popen, which treats Ansible as a Network Service. The reality is we don’t care if modules (which are really plugins as they are used in Kolla) taint. The taint occurs
during instation of the module (which PLUGS IN to Ansible during runtime), not as a fact of including the code in the repository.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From previous conversations with the BOD and TC, they don’t see a problem with this since Ansible runs as a network service, isolating the licensing concerns.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">A thought experiment (with some turtles). If Apache was licensed under GPLv3, would your viewing of their web content automatically make that web content and all their web software infrastructure
for displaying content GPLv3? Now dig a little further, and ask, would that make your entire operating system GPLv3? Now dig a little further, would that make your workstation GPLv3? Would that make you GPLv3 for viewing the content? Are we all GPLv3?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">That web content is analogous to an Ansible module. The question I’d like you to answer if you would indulge me is “Where does the GPLv3 license end in this stream?” Not as an attorney,
but purely on technical grounds. I know what the attorney’s say.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Please review the thread on the legal list for more background.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Clint Byrum <clint@fewbar.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, November 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][kolla] Ansible module with GPLv3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2016-11-04 23:05:54 +0000:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On 2016-11-04 22:50:10 +0000 (+0000), Jeremy Stanley wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> As I understand it, the challenge here is that plugins for Ansible<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> will by definition be derivative works of Ansible and thus inherit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> their license choice. No amount of "clean room reimplementation"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> will solve that unless you also reimplement Ansible under a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> different license while you're at it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Further research suggests I'm wrong on this front. I was assuming<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Ansible was providing a Python plug-in API here, in which case<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">coding to that would potentially create a derivative work. Instead<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">it looks like for at least some things they refer to as plug-ins<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">they pass around a JSON data structure which upstream Ansible has<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">said in the past they do not consider to result in plug-ins becoming<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">derivative works of Ansible. For example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><a href="https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/module_utils/basic.py">https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/module_utils/basic.py</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Modules are not plugins.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ansible-project/GLwe3vbwTQk">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ansible-project/GLwe3vbwTQk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Same here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><a href="https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/8864">https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/8864</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">This only refers to dynamic inventory, which is hardly even a plugin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">interface.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Strategy plugins run in ansible itself and must import pieces of Ansible,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and thus must be GPLv3:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><a href="https://github.com/ansible/ansible/tree/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/strategy">https://github.com/ansible/ansible/tree/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/strategy</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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