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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">No flame, just observation about the reality of these changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I think we missed this communication on the mailing list or in the FAQs or somewhere else. I think most engineering-focused organizations are looking at the PTGs only and not really considering
the summit for budget planning. If folks knew the operators were only going to be at the OpenStack Summit, I think that may change budget planning for engineering organizations. Seems like more siloing to me, not less. We need to integrate OpenStack’s development
with Operators as well as the Operator’s customers (the cloud consumers the Operators deliver to).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Does the foundation not want to co-locate the ops summit at the PTG because the ops summit feeds into the OpenStack Summit main ops day(s)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I don’t have any easy solutions for this problem, but the expectation that project developers are required at 3 week-long events instead of 2 wasn’t clearly communicated and should be rectified
beyond a post to the openstack-dev mailing list where most people filter messages by tags (i.e. your message is probably not reaching the correct audience).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">"tom@openstack.org" <tom@openstack.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 7:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[openstack-dev] PTG from the Ops Perspective - a few short notes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">It's fantastic to see all of the PTG planning that has been going on in
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">recent threads. It's clear there's a bit of confusion too, and as
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">mriedem notes - us "mere mortals" are probably going to take some time
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">to figure it out. Nothing's final of course, and we're going to take a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">while and iterate to success.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">With that in mind, I'm going to don the flame-proof suit and try to list
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">a few very short, simple things to try and help, particularly to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">understand from the ops-y side of things. Throwing away all the context
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and nuance here that could stave off attacks, so please be nice :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">* The OpenStack Summit is the start of a release cycle *<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">If you do nothing else, please check out the diagram on the PTG site -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">it's good. We're finally acknowledging that a release cycle starts with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">planning, rather than when the code branch opens :) It means that we'll
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">be finalizing development on one release while planning another, though
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">we've actually been doing that already. The difference is that with this
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">change, we'll have the summit in the right place to get decent feedback
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and ideas from users: at the very start of the cycle.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">* The OpenStack Summit is the place where the entire community gets
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">together *<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Just because there's the PTG, doesn't mean the Summit becomes some
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">marketing thing. If you want to have pre-spec brainstorming or feedback
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">discussions with users: Summit. If you need to be involved in the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">strategic direction of OpenStack: Summit. If you just want to hang out
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">with your project team and talk code only: you're going to love the PTG :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">* Don't expect Ops at the PTG *<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">The PTG has been designed for you to have a space to get stuff done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Unless a user is so deep into code that you basically look at them as
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">"one of the team", they're not going to be there. If you'd like feedback
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and ideas from users, plan that to happen at the start of the cycle -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">i.e. Summit :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Thank you for your exceptional patience as we work all this out! Ready
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">for the flame-tan now :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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