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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Emilien,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Understood and thanks for the clarification; looks like mail threading problem with lookout. This outlook client is not very good for mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Emilien Macchi <emilien@redhat.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 4, 2016 at 4:46 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [openstack-dev] TC candidacy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) <<a href="mailto:stdake@cisco.com">stdake@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">You say "the previous *PTL* of an OpenStack installation automation project" as if there were only one previous PTL :) There are many previous PTLs of OpenStack automation
projects. I feel the question was directed at me, so I'll answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">( I didn't ask for it but Clay Gerrard did. I also gave my insights,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">waiting for others previous PTL, like you, to give thoughts too. )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">From: Emilien Macchi <<a href="mailto:emilien@redhat.com">emilien@redhat.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:03 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] TC candidacy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Emilien Macchi <<a href="mailto:emilien@redhat.com">emilien@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Clay Gerrard <<a href="mailto:clay.gerrard@gmail.com">clay.gerrard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Emilien Macchi <<a href="mailto:emilien@redhat.com">emilien@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">- Make sure it works outside Devstack.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">There is a huge gap between what is tested by Devstack gate and what<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">deploy on the field. This gap tends to stretch the feedback loop between<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">developers and operators. As a community, we might want to reduce this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and make OpenStack testing more effective and more realistic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">That's an area of focus I would like to work and spread over OpenStack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">projects if I'm elected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">This is a really interesting platform point. It's been a concern in he<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">community since *at least* Vancouver [1]. We've had lots of different<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">viewpoints towards project install-ability raised this election:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">John Dickenson says installation of projects should go horizontal [2]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Monty Taylor says services oriented deployment teams are the wasteful<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">exception [3]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">John Griffith says how the TC approaches services oriented OpenStack will be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">an important factor in the future definition of OpenStack and it's relevancy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">[4]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Before I start replying to the questions, I would like to note that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Devstack has been so far the first deployment tool that is used by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">OpenStack continuous integration, my point is really about adding more<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">CI coverage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">of OpenStack's installation automation projects? What could or should be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">"openstack-all-in-one" deployment model? Can or should the TC be the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">champion of the discussion around "how to install" OpenStack? How much of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">an impact does choices made in *testing* effect the install-ability and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ease-of-use of OpenStack in general?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">In my early history as a leader prior to OpenStack, I believed exceptions were the norm. I then read Clayton Christensen's Harvard Business Review article "How will you measure
your life?"[1] and it fundamentally changed my thinking on exceptions. (Full disclosure, I graduated from Northern Arizona University in 1998, not Harvard in 2010). I would encourage everyone first to read the article "How will you measure your life?" and
vote afterwards. Please do vote - without your vote, your voice isn't heard on how you want the OpenStack TC to function. The short version of Christensen's theory is exceptions lead to more exceptions lead to more exceptions leads to an untenable situation
with all sorts of negative outcomes. I was actually suffering through this exact scenario in my early career and one of my greatest mentors pointed me at this article which put me on the right track.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Now I give awareness of it to you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Kolla has been led exception free since day 0. I have hope this continues into the future since I have elected not to run to serve as PTL of Kolla and instead focus on serving
as a TC member if elected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Unfortunately answering your questions is an exception in and to itself. However, I also believe in being direct and honest with individuals as you can see in my self-nomination
to the TC and have a strong disdain for individuals that waste time by avoiding questions, so I'll answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">What should be done about the reliance as devstack as gating mechanism for all OpenStack software? I proposed an answer here [2] essentially asking core reviewers and PTLs
of projects interested in being consumed by various individuals interested in using the software these projects produced to contribute to Kolla (or pick your operational deployment manager of choice) to fill out the big tent. That thread had a wildly successful
outcome for Kolla - 15 new services implemented in Newton! The obvious next step is now to gate on these services in various service defined as "Core". Answer: Let the projects themselves sort it out with a whole bunch of help from the rockin openstack-infra
team. The TC need not be involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Should the TC pick winners and losers by defining the "one true way" to install OpenStack assuming everyone plays by the same rules? Feels like an exception to me of the TC
charter. Answer no.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">How much of an impact does testing make in the ability to install OpenStack? Answer: Not all that much. ODMs either installs or they don't. ODM's either upgrade or they
don't. ODMs either reconfigures or they don't. This is a 20 minute test in Kolla -> enable all services, deploy, upgrade, reconfigure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">The real question is "Does it work?" after deploy/upgrade/reconfigure. This is where the hard testing comes in, whether manual or automated. Manual testing does scale well
enough with the growth of the big tent to keep up with current big tent growth. It is mostly what Kolla uses and I feel the Kolla team can keep up with the growth of the big tent in spite of the curve balls thrown our way on a weekly basis. If I didn't feel
this way, I wouldn't have added kolla-kubernetes to Kolla's governance repository. Clearly automated testing is superior.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">If you make one choice today that you want to change your life for the better, click the link [1] below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">1) Do you think this is an important topic for OpenStack right now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Yes. Making sure that OpenStack can be installed, upgraded and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">operated outside devstack is in my opinion an important long-term<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">2) What could or should be done to reduce the bias/reliance towards a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">devstack or an "openstack-all-in-one" deployment model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Some projects (Heat, Ironic, etc) already run non-devstack jobs,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I'm not going to make advertising for this project but it's an example<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">of installer that deploys a good set of service with uses-cases close<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">to production: multinode, SSL, IPv6, upgrade testing, network<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">We could see more of it in OpenStack, where projects like TripleO,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Kolla, Fuel, etc, could run their CI jobs in projects like Nova or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">It would reduce the feedback loop between developers and operators<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">when something breaks (backward compatibility testing is a good<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">use-case), or increase coverage (things that Devstack doesn't test).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I'm actually proposing to run TripleO multinode job in Nova experimental jobs:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">It's non-voting and run at demand, so we're not breaking anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">tripleo-ci-centos-7-nonha-multinode is a CI job that takes ~40-60<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I think it would be a good start to see if non-devstack jobs would<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">bring useful feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I don't think so. To me, it's up to our community to decide how to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">something that we can't choose on behalf of our operators, because<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">to increase their impact in OpenStack testing with a final goal of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">4) How much of an impact does choices made in *testing* effect the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">install-ability and ease-of-use of OpenStack in general?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">- evaluate how a project does respect backward compatibility in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">- evaluate if projects can actually be upgraded by using operator and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">not something that operators don't use (devstack / grenade).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">That's the two things that directly came into my mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">believe OpenStack should approach potentially disruptive or "competing"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">(...) compete in design, but they rather fit (or match) the needs of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and picked the same tool to deploy OpenStack, to accelerate their<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Such a diversity is in my opinion awesome as long as we directly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">consume what is produced by upstream projects and report immediate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">feedback with CI and horizontal collaboration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I hope I answered to the questions, and if not please let me know, I'm<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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