<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Title" content="">
<meta name="Keywords" content="">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
        {font-family:"Cambria Math";
        panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Calibri;
        panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0in;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:Calibri;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:#0563C1;
        text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:#954F72;
        text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
        {mso-style-priority:34;
        margin-top:0in;
        margin-right:0in;
        margin-bottom:0in;
        margin-left:.5in;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:Calibri;}
span.EmailStyle17
        {mso-style-type:personal-compose;
        font-family:Calibri;
        color:windowtext;}
span.msoIns
        {mso-style-type:export-only;
        mso-style-name:"";
        text-decoration:underline;
        color:teal;}
.MsoChpDefault
        {mso-style-type:export-only;
        font-family:Calibri;}
@page WordSection1
        {size:8.5in 11.0in;
        margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
        {page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
        {mso-list-id:1727756211;
        mso-list-type:hybrid;
        mso-list-template-ids:1990361358 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715;}
@list l0:level1
        {mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;}
@list l0:level2
        {mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;}
@list l0:level3
        {mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:right;
        text-indent:-9.0pt;}
@list l0:level4
        {mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;}
@list l0:level5
        {mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;}
@list l0:level6
        {mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:right;
        text-indent:-9.0pt;}
@list l0:level7
        {mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;}
@list l0:level8
        {mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-.25in;}
@list l0:level9
        {mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:right;
        text-indent:-9.0pt;}
ol
        {margin-bottom:0in;}
ul
        {margin-bottom:0in;}
--></style>
</head>
<body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">First off, apologies for missing most of the team meeting today.  I have read through the logs and saw a discussion about deprecating heka.  We need to ensure that we follow the deprecation policy.  My understanding
 of the deprecation policy is as follows (in a nutshell):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We must mail the <a href="mailto:openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org">
openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org</a> mailing list and ask if the change impacts operators<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If it does impact operators, we have to propose a migration path that works and makes sense<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We have to *<b>at minimum</b>* keep the feature in the release for 3 months.  Major features that are not technical preview should stay in the release for 2 cycles and *<b>extra care</b>* should
 be taken when communicating our intent with the operator list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Once 1-3 are done, we must make official notice in the release notes for the release in which the deprecation occurred and deliver on that commitment of the stated deprecation time in O or P or Q.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">5.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The thread on openstack-operators should be linked in the review of the deprecation of the work. (this last part of the policy isn’t stated, however, it will help avoid misunderstandings between
 the Kolla team, operators, and the technical committee)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I appreciate everyone’s interest in deprecating Heka in Ocata as it is entering security-fix only maintenance mode.  However, we need to follow the standard OpenStack deprecation policies, not make up new
 ones.  Heka will not be deprecated for Newton because we lack time to sort out 1-3 (especially #2 above, the migration path) between now and Oct 12<sup>th</sup> (hopefully when we tag rc2, 13<sup>th</sup> is drop dead date).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If you have a different parsing of the deprecation policy, feel free to chime in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The standardized deprecation policy can be found here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.rst">https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.rst</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:8.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">`                                ~               
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>