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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Michal,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I didn’t say we had to run two parallel implementations at the same time to be compliant with this project maturity tag. We have to maintain it in the release for 3 months until we switch
to something else if our intent is to switch to something else (at 3 months + 1 picosecond
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">. Reading into the rationale into this, I believe it is to help out all projects provide a feasible backport mechanism to also be complaint
with the follows stable policy project maturity tag.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The fact that Heka is an internal service Kolla uses is not a meaningful argument for avoiding the deprecation policy because operators may rely on our internal infrastructure already (e.g.
they built their own containers with heka logging) and need a migration path for what is next.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Operators need time to move to a new component just as Kolla does.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Michał Jastrzębski <inc007@gmail.com></span><span style="font-family:PMingLiU;color:black"><br>
</span><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Reply-To: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [openstack-dev] [Kolla] Deprecation Policies (related to Heka)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">notification = of course<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">relase note with information and upgrade info = of course<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">1 full release of supporting both heka and alternative = not so much<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On 29 September 2016 at 10:54, Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><<a href="mailto:me@coolsvap.net">me@coolsvap.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On Sep 29, 2016 3:06 PM, "Christian Berendt"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><<a href="mailto:berendt@betacloud-solutions.de">berendt@betacloud-solutions.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> On 29 Sep 2016, at 06:26, Steven Dake (stdake) <<a href="mailto:stdake@cisco.com">stdake@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> If you have a different parsing of the deprecation policy, feel free to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">> chime in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Heka is only used as an internal component of Kolla and is not provided as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">a service for the operators. It should be sufficient to replace Heka by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">something else without deprecating it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Christian.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Kolla is an operator tool and there are multiple tools only internal to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">deployment. This does not mean we can deprecate tools without operator being<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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