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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Flavio,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I get your point but not your goal. You mention next step in your email, that next step being what?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Flavio Percoco <flavio@redhat.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 26, 2016 at 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][fuel][tripleo] Reference architecture to deploy OpenStack on k8s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On 23/09/16 17:47 +0000, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Flavio,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Forgive the top post and lack of responding inline – I am dealing with lookout 2016 which apparently has a bug here [0].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Your question:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I can contribute to kolla-kubernetes all you want but that won't give me what I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">asked for in my original email and I'm pretty sure there are opinions about the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">"recommended" way for running OpenStack on kubernetes. Questions like: Should I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">run rabbit in a container? Should I put my database in there too? Now with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">PetSets it might be possible. Can we be smarter on how we place the services in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">the cluster? Or should we go with the traditional controller/compute/storage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">You may argue that I should just read the yaml files from kolla-kubernetes and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">start from there. May be true but that's why I asked if there was something<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">written already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Your question ^<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">My answer:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I think what you are really after is why kolla-kubernetes has made the choices we have made. I would not argue that reading the code would answer that question because it
does not. Instead it answers how those choices were implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">You are mistaken in thinking that contributing to kolla-kubernetes won’t give you what you really want. Participation in the Kolla community will answer for you *why* choices
were made as they were. Many choices are left unanswered as of yet and Red Hat can make a big impact in the future of the decision making about *why*. You have to participate to have your voice heard. If you are expecting the Kolla team to write a bunch
of documentation to explain *why* we have made the choices we have, we frankly don’t have time for that. Ryan and Michal may promise it with architecture diagrams and other forms of incomplete documentation, but that won’t provide you a holistic view of *why*
and is wasted efforts on their part (no offense Michal and Ryan – I think it’s a worthy goal. The timing for such a request is terrible and I don’t want to derail the team into endless discussions about the best way to do things).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">The best way to do things is sorted out via the gerrit review process using the standard OpenStack workflow through an open development process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Thanks for getting back on this. Unfortunatelly, I think you keep missing my<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">point and my goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I'd like to document the architectural choices and see if there's a common<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">ground in which different teams can collaborate on. In addition to this, we'll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">also see at what point these teams will start diverging in architectural<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">choices. Will the time invested on this be entirely wasted? Maybe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I'm failing to see what is wrong about my request. You mention that I need to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">contribute to have my voice heard in Kolla as if I'm trying to change anything<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">in it. Spoiler alert: I'm not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I'd like to first work on what I've mentioned in my email and then take the next<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">step. It's also important to note that I've not asked the Kolla team to do this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">themselves. I've said that I'd like to hear thoughts and friendly discussions on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">this from different teams (not just kolla), which could easily happen over<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">email. For example, we could stop arguing whether my email makes sense or not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and perhaps start dropping some ideas here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Anyway, I appreciate your input and you taking the time to explain the status<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">and efforts of the Kolla team. As far as my contributions go, this is a way for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">me to start contributing on the deployment on containers efforts around the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">community and more specifically on the kubernetes side. It might not be what<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">everyone wants but I believe it does help and it'll create a common place for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">collaboration on this topic amongts different communities (including OPs).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Flavio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Flavio,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Consider this an invitation to come join us – we want Red Hat’s participation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">[0] <a href="http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_mac/outlook-for-mac-2016-replying-inline-with-html-no/298b830e-11ea-416c-b951-918d8f9562cb">http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_mac/outlook-for-mac-2016-replying-inline-with-html-no/298b830e-11ea-416c-b951-918d8f9562cb</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">From: Flavio Percoco <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com">flavio@redhat.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Date: Friday, September 23, 2016 at 3:10 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][fuel][tripleo] Reference architecture to deploy OpenStack on k8s<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On 22/09/16 20:55 +0000, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Flavio,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Apologies for delay in response – my backlog is large.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Forgive me if I parsed your message incorrectly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">It's probably me failing to communicate my intent or just the intent not being<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">good enough or worth it at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">It came across to me as “How do I blaze a trail for OpenStack on Kubernetes?”. That was asked of me personally 3 years ago which led to the formation of the Kolla project
inside Red Hat. Our initial effort at that activity failed. Instead we decided kubernetes wasn’t ready for trailblazing in this space and used a far more mature project (Ansible) to solve the “OpenStack in Containers” problems and build from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">We have since expanded our scope to re-solve the “How do I blaze a trail for Openstack on Kubernetes?” question since Kubernetes is now ready for this sort of trailblazing. Fuel
and several other folks decided to create derived works of the Kolla community’s innovations in this area. I would contend that Fuel didn’t need to behave in such a way because the Kolla community is open, friendly, mature, diversely affiliated, has a reasonable
philosophy and good set of principles as well as a strong leadership pipeline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Rather than go blaze a trail when one already exists or create a derived work, why not increase your footprint in Kolla instead? Red Hat has invested in Kolla for some time
now, and their footprint hasn’t magically disappeared over night. We will give you what you want within reasonable boundaries (the boundaries all open-source projects set of their contributors). We also accept more work than the typical OpenStack project
might, so it’s not like you will have to bring donuts into the office for every patch you merge into Kolla.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">As to your more direct question of reference architecture, that is a totally loaded term that I’ll leave untouched.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">To answer your question of “Does Kolla have a set of best practices” the answer is yes in kolla-ansible and kolla itself and strongly forming set of best practices in kolla-kubernetes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">As I mentioned in my email, I don't really care about the implementation right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">now. I'm not trying to change the current teams, goals, or anything. I would go<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">as far as saying that the acknowledgement of the existing teams in my original<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Is it a loaded term? Maybe, is this point relevant for my original question? I'd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">say no. It doesn't matter what we call this, not to me, not right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate your<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">I can contribute to kolla-kubernetes all you want but that won't give me what I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">asked for in my original email and I'm pretty sure there are opinions about the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">"recommended" way for running OpenStack on kubernetes. Questions like: Should I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">run rabbit in a container? Should I put my database in there too? Now with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">PetSets it might be possible. Can we be smarter on how we place the services in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">the cluster? Or should we go with the traditional controller/compute/storage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">start from there. May be true but that's why I asked if there was something<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Thanks for your email,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On 9/22/16, 4:04 AM, "Flavio Percoco" <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com">flavio@redhat.com</a><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com%3E">mailto:flavio@redhat.com></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> Greetings,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> I've recently started looking into the container technologies around OpenStack.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> More specifically, I've been looking into the tools that allow for deploying<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> OpenStack on containers, which is what I'm the most interested in right now as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> I'm familiar with the Kolla project and the tools managed by this team. In fact,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> more depth a Kubernetes based deployment of OpenStack. I'm familiar with both<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> kolla-kubernetes and fuel-ccp, their structure and direction*. Both projects<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> have now advanced a bit in their implementations and made some decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> As someone that started looking into this topic just recently, I'd love to see<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> our communities collaborate more wherever possible. For example, it'd be great<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> folks have done this already and I bet we can all learn more from it if we work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> So, let me go ahead and ask some further questions here, I might be missing some<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> - Is there any public documentation that acts as a reference architecture for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> The restult I'd love to see from this collaboration is a reference architecture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black"> Thanks in advance. I look forward to see us collaborate more on this area,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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