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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">+1! The security project adds tremendous value to OpenStack.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">-steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:35 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">Excerpts from Rob C's message of 2016-09-23 17:46:46 +0100:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">I wanted to provide a quick update from Security.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">We had our weekly IRC meeting yesterday, dhellman was kind enough to attend</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">to help broker some of the discussion. In advance of the meeting I prepared</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">a blog post where I tried to articulate my position and where I think</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">things need to go next [1]. This was discussed at length during the IRC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">meeting [2]. We discussed the option of becoming a WG or staying in the big</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">tent, this resulted in a vote, where the team all indicated their desire to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">stay within the big tent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">My proposal for the future is outlined in some depth with [1] but the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">summary is that we've identified the areas that we need to improve on in</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">order to be better members of the community, we want to stay within the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">big-tent and for me to maintain leadership through this transformational</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">process with a view to having multiple candidates stand in the next</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">election.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">-Rob</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">Thanks, Rob. Based on the discussions yesterday I think the team has a</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">better understanding of the communication issues and I'm convinced that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">everyone is committed to improving. I support keeping the team in the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">tent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">Doug</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black"><a href="https://openstack-security.github.io/organization/2016/09/22/maturing-the-security-project.html">https://openstack-security.github.io/organization/2016/09/22/maturing-the-security-project.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">[2]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:23 AM, Davanum Srinivas <<a href="mailto:davanum@gmail.com">davanum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> Steven,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> Fair point.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> Dims</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <<a href="mailto:stdake@cisco.com">stdake@cisco.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Dims,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > This isn’t any of my particular business except it could affect emerging</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> technology projects (which I find important to OpenStack’s future)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> negatively – so I thought I’d chime in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > A lack of activity in a specs repo doesn’t mean much to me. For</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> example, as Kolla was an emerging project we didn’t use any specs process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> at all (or very rarely). There is a reason behind this. Now that Kolla is</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> stable and reliable and we feel we are not an emerging project, we plan to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> make use of a specs repo starting in Ocata.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > I have no particular concerns with the other commentary – but please</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> don’t judge a project by activity or lack of activity in one repo of its</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> deliverables. Judge it holistically (You are judging holistically. I</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> believe a lack of one repo’s activity shouldn’t be part of that judgement).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > -steve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > On 9/21/16, 2:08 PM, "Davanum Srinivas" <<a href="mailto:davanum@gmail.com">davanum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Jakub,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Please see below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Jakub Pavlik <</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> <a href="mailto:jakub.pavlik@tcpcloud.eu">
jakub.pavlik@tcpcloud.eu</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > it took us 2 years of hard working to get these official.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> OpenStack-Salt is</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > now used by around 40 production deployments and it is focused</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> very on</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > operation and popularity is growing. You are removing the project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> week after</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > one of top contributor announced that they will use that as part of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > solution. We made a mistakes, however I do not think that is</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> reason to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > remove us. I do no think that quality of the project is measured</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> like this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Our PTL got ill and did not do properly his job for last 3 weeks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> but this</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > can happen anybody.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > It is up to you. If you think that we are useless for community,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> then</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > remove us and we will have to continue outside of this community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> However</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > growing successful use cases will not be under official openstack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> community,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > which makes my feeling bad.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Data points so far are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > 1. No response during Barcelona planning for rooms</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > 2. Lack of candidates for PTL election</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > 3. No activity in the releases/ repository hence no entries in</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > <a href="https://releases.openstack.org/">
https://releases.openstack.org/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > 4. Meetings are not so regular?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > <a href="http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/">
http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> (supposed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > to be weekly)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > 5. Is the specs repo really active?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > <a href="http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-salt-specs/">
http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-salt-specs/</a> is the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > work being done elsewhere?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > 6. Is there an effort to add stuff to the CI jobs running on</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> openstack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > infrastructure? (can't seem to find much</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > <a href="http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=salt&i=nope&files=zuul%25">
http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=salt&i=nope&files=zuul%</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> 2Flayout.yaml&repos=project-config)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > I'll stop here and switch to #openstack-salt channel to help work you</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > all through if there is a consensus/willingness from the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > openstack-salt team that there's significant work to be done. If you</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > think you are better off not on the governance, that would be your</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Dims</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Jakub</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> Excerpts from Filip Pytloun's message of 2016-09-21 20:36:42</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> The idea of splitting the contributor list comes up pretty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> and we rehash the same suggestions each time. Given that what</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> have now worked fine for 57 of the 59 offical teams (the Astara</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> team knew in advance it would not have a PTL running, and Piet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> some sort of technical issue submitting his candidacy for the UX</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> changes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> to our community communication standard practices in support of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> 2 remaining teams.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> That's not to say that the system we have now is perfect, but we</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> can't realistically support multiple systems at the same time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> We</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> need everyone to use the same system, otherwise we have (even</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> fragmented communication. So, we either need everyone to agree</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> some new system and then have people step forward to implement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> or we need to all agree to do our best to use the system we have</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> in place now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> I think it may work as is (with proper mail filters), but as</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> already</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> mentioned in this thread it would be better to have someone more</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> experienced</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> in Openstack community projects as a core team member or PTL to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> catch all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> these things otherwise it may happen that inexperienced PTL/team</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> miss</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> something like now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> If the team needs help, please ask for it. We should be able to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> someone to do a little mentoring and provide some guidance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> Still I don't think it's such a big issue to just fire project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> from Big</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> Tent -</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> who will benefit from that? Again someone already mentioned what</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> will it</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> mean</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> for such team (loss of potencial developers, etc.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> Moreover for teams who are actively working on project as it</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> seems that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> both</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> OpenStackSalt and Security teams do.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> Signing up to be a part of the big tent is not free. Membership</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> with expectations and obligations. Failing to meet those may be an</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> indication that the team isn't ready, or that membership is not a</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> good</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> fit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> And I thought that real work on a project is our primary goal..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> situation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> is like loosing job when I left dirty coffee cup at my workspace.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> I hope you consider team leadership and community participation to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> be more important than your analogy implies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> Doug</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> Did your release liaison follow the instructions to make that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> <a href="http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> README.rst</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> That seems to be the reason. There was new release planned with</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> for</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> were</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> As mentioned above - more experienced PTL would be helpful here</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>> currently talking with people who could fit that position.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> I see no emails tagged with [salt] on the mailing list since</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> this year, aside from this thread. Are you using a different</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> channel for team coordination? You mention IRC, but how are</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> expected to find you?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> Yes, we are using openstack-salt channel and openstack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> IRC. This channel is mentioned eg. in readme here [1] and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> meetings page [2] which are on weekly basis (logs [3]).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> We also had a couple of people comming to team IRC talking to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> so I believe they can find the way to contact us even without</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> activity at openstack-dev (which should be better as I</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> That works great for folks in your timezones. It's less useful</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> anyone who isn't around at the same time as you, which is one</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> our community emphasizes using email communications. Email gives</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://github.com/openstack/openstack-salt">https://github.com/openstack/openstack-salt</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> [2]
<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>> [3]
<a href="http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/">http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> Of course I don't want to excuse our fault. In case it's not</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> openstack-dev and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> not miss such important events next time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> [1]
<a href="http://stackalytics.com/?module=openstacksalt-group">http://stackalytics.com/?module=openstacksalt-group</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> -Filip</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Thierry Carrez</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org">thierry@openstack.org</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Hi everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> As announced previously[1][2], there were no PTL candidates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> within</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> election deadline for a number of official OpenStack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> project teams:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Astara, UX, OpenStackSalt and Security.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> In the Astara case, the current team working on it would</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> like to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> abandon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> the project (and let it be available for any new team who</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> wishes to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> take</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> it away). A change should be proposed really soon now to go</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> in that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> direction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> In the UX case, the current PTL (Piet Kruithof) very quickly</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> reacted,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> explained his error and asked to be considered for the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> position for</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Ocata. The TC will officialize his nomination at the next</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> meeting,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> together with the newly elected PTLs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> That leaves us with OpenStackSalt and Security, where</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> nobody reacted</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> the announcement that we are missing PTL candidates. That</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> points to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> a</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> real disconnect between those teams and the rest of the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Even</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> if you didn't have the election schedule in mind, it was</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> pretty hard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> miss all the PTL nominations in the email last week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> The majority of TC members present at the meeting yesterday</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> suggested</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> that those project teams should be removed from the Big</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> Tent, with</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> their</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> design summit space allocation slightly reduced to match</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> that (and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> make</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> room for other not-yet-official teams).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> In the case of OpenStackSalt, it's a relatively new</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> addition, and if</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> they get their act together they could probably be</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> re-proposed in</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> future. In the case of Security, it points to a more</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> significant</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> disconnect (since it's not the first time the PTL misses the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> nomination</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> call). We definitely still need to care about Security (and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> we also</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> need</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> a home for the Vulnerability Management team), but I think</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> "Security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> team" acts more like a workgroup than as an official</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> project team,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> as</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> evidenced by the fact that nobody in that team reacted to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> the lack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> PTL nomination, or the announcement that the team missed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> the bus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> The suggested way forward there would be to remove the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> "Security</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> team", have the Vulnerability Management Team file to be</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> its own</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> official project team (in the same vein as the stable</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> maintenance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> team),</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> and have Security be just a workgroup rather than a project</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> team.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Thoughts, comments ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> [1]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>>
<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-">http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> September/103904.html</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> [2]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>>
<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-">http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> September/103939.html</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> --</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Thierry Carrez (ttx)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> ______________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ____________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>>
<a href="mailto:OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org</a>?subject:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> unsubscribe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>>
<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> openstack-dev</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ______________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>> Unsubscribe:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>
<a href="mailto:OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org</a>?subject:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> unsubscribe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>>
<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> openstack-dev</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ______________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>> Unsubscribe:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>>>>
<a href="mailto:OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org">OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org</a>?subject:unsubscribe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> openstack-dev</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >>>> <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> openstack-dev</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> ____________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> unsubscribe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > >> <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev">
http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > --</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Jakub Pavlik</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > CTO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > [tcp
</span><span style="font-family:"MS Mincho";color:black">◕</span><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black"> cloud]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > +420 602 177 027</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > <a href="mailto:jakub.pavlik@tcpcloud.eu">
jakub.pavlik@tcpcloud.eu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > tcp cloud a.s.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Thamova 16</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > 186 00 Praha 8 - Karlin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > Czech republic</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > <a href="http://tcpcloud.eu">
http://tcpcloud.eu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > <a href="http://opentcpcloud.org">
http://opentcpcloud.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > ____________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> unsubscribe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > > <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev">
http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > --</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > Davanum Srinivas ::
<a href="https://twitter.com/dims">https://twitter.com/dims</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ____________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev">
http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > ____________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> ______________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> > <a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev">
http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> --</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> Davanum Srinivas ::
<a href="https://twitter.com/dims">https://twitter.com/dims</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">></span><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;color:black">> __________________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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