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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Michael Still <<a href="mailto:mikal@stillhq.com">mikal@stillhq.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 5:30 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [Kolla] [Fuel] [tc] Looks like Mirantis is getting Fuel CCP (docker/k8s) kicked off<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Fox, Kevin M <span dir="ltr">
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The issue is, as I see it, a parallel activity to one of the that is currently accepted into the Big Tent, aka Containerized Deployment</blockquote>
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<div>This seems to be the crux of the matter as best as I can tell. Is it true to say that the concern is that Kolla believes they "own" the containerized deployment space inside the Big Tent?</div>
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<div>I can't give you Kevin's thinking on this, but my thinking is that every project has a right to innovate even if it means competing with an established project. Even if that competition involves a straight up fork or serious copy and paste from the competitive
project. These are permitted things in big tent. Kolla has been forked a few times with people seeding competitive projects. The license permits this, and fwiw I don't see any problem with it. There is nothing more appealing to an engineer then forking
a code base for whatever reason. Hence I disagree about your assertion that competition is the crux of the matter.</div>
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<div>It is easier to copy a successful design then to innovate your own the hard way.</div>
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<div>I have already stated where the problem is, and I'll state it once again using C&P:</div>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Given the strong language around partnership between Intel, Mirantis, and</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Google in that press release, and the activity in the review queue (2</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">pages of outstanding reviews) it seems clear to me that the intent is for</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">this part of Fuel to participate in the big tent. The right thing to do</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">here is for fuel-ccp to submit their repos to TC oversight by adding them</div>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Fuel requires a mission change, or it may be perceived that Fuel itself</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">does not adhere to the Four Opens [1] specifically Open Development and</div>
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