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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">I was under the impression bifrost was 2 things, one, an installer/configurator of ironic in a stand alone mode, and two, a management tool for getting machines deployed without
needing nova using ironic.<br>
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The first use case seems like it should just be handled by enhancing kolla's ironic container stuff to directly to handle the use case, doing things the kolla way. This seems much cleaner to me. Doing it at runtime looses most of the benefits of doing it in
a container at all.<br>
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The second adds a lot of value I think, and thats what the bifrost container should be?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Kevin<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 06, 2016 12:54 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] [bifrost] bifrost container.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Steven Dake (stdake) [mailto:stdake@cisco.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 6, 2016 6:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] [bifrost] bifrost container.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">Sean,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">Thanks for taking this on :) I didn't know you had such an AR :)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[Mooney, Sean K] well if other want to do the work that ok with me too but I was planning on deploying bifrost
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">At home again anyway so I taught I might as well try to automate the process while im at it.</span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Mooney, Sean K" <<a href="mailto:sean.k.mooney@intel.com" target="_blank">sean.k.mooney@intel.com</a>><br>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 6, 2016 at 10:14 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <<a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[openstack-dev] [kolla] [bifrost] bifrost container.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi everyone.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Following up on my AR from the kolla host repository session</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit-kolla-kolla-host-repo" target="_blank">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit-kolla-kolla-host-repo</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I started working on creating a kolla bifrost container.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Are some initial success it have hit a roadblock with the current install playbook provided by bifrost.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">In particular the install playbook both installs the ironic dependencies and configure and runs the services.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">What I'd do here is ignore the install playbook and duplicate what it installs. We don't want to install at run time, we want to install at build time. You weren't clear if that is what your
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[Mooney, Sean K] that is certainly an option but bifrost is an installer for ironic and its supporting service. Not using its installation scripts significantly reduces the value of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Integrating with bifrost vs fixing the existing ironic support in kolla and using that to provision the undercloud.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">The reason we would ignore the install playbook is because it runs the services. We need to run the services in a different way. This will (as we discussed at ODS) be a fat container on the
underlord cloud – which I guess is ok. I'd recommend not using systemd, as that will break systemd systems badly. Instead use a different init system, such as supervisord.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[Mooney, Sean K] if we don’t use the bifrost install playbook then yes supervisord would be a good choice for the init system.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Looking at the official centos docker image
<a href="https://hub.docker.com/_/centos/" target="_blank">https://hub.docker.com/_/centos/</a> they do provided instruction for running systemd containers tough I have had issues with this in the past.</span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The installation of ironic and its dependencies would not be a problem but the ansible service module is not cable able of starting the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Infrastructure services (mysql,rabbit …) without a running init system which is not present during the docker build.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">When I created a biforst container in the past is spawned a Ubuntu upstart container then docker exec into the container and ran</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This leave me with 3 paths forward.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black">I can continue to try and make the bifrost install script work with the kolla build system by using sed to modify the install playbook or try start systemd during the docker build.</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="color:black"><span style="">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="color:black">I can use the kolla build system to build only part of the image</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="color:black"><span style="">a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="color:black"> the bifrost-base image would be build with the kolla build system without running the bifrost playbook. This<br>
would allow the existing allow the existing features of the build system such as adding headers/footers to be used.</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="color:black"><span style="">b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="color:black">After the base image is built by kolla I can spawn an instance of bifrost-base with systemd running
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="color:black"><span style="">c.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="color:black">I can then connect to this running container and run the bifrost install script unmodified.</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="color:black"><span style="">d.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="color:black">Once it is finished I can stop the container and export it to an image “bifros-postinstall”.
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:72.0pt; text-indent:-18.0pt"><span style="color:black"><span style="">e.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="color:black">This can either be used directly (fat container) or as the base image for other container that run each of the ironic services (thin containers)</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black">I can skip the kolla build system entirely and create a script/playbook that will build the bifrost container similar to 2.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">4.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">Make a supervisord set of init scripts and make the docker file do what it was intended – install the files. This is kind of a mashup of your 1-3 ideas. Good thinking :)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">While option 1 would fully use the kolla build system It is my least favorite as it is both hacky and complicated to make work.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Docker really was not designed to run systemd as part of docker build.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">For option 2 and 3 I can provide a single playbook/script that will fully automate the build but the real question I have</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Is should I use the kolla build system to make the base image or not.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If anyone else has suggestion on how I can progress please let me know but currently I am leaning towards option 2.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">If you have questions about my suggestion to use supervisord, hit me up on IRC. Ideally we would also contribute these init scripts back into bifrost code base assuming they want them, which
I think they would. Nobody will run systemd in a container, and we all have an interest in seeing BiFrost as the standard bare metal deployment model inside or outside of containers.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[Mooney, Sean K] I have briefly used supervisord before for a pet project
<a href="https://github.com/SeanMooney/docker-devstack" target="_blank">https://github.com/SeanMooney/docker-devstack</a> to create a container for running devstack so it did hot pollute my host.</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">supervisord is a nice tool. Im just about to head home for the weekend but I might grab you on irc on Monday to follow up.</span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">-steve</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt; color:black">GROAN – one advantage containers provide us is not mucking up the host OS with a bajillion dependencies. I'd like to keep that part of Kolla intact :)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[Mooney, Sean K] yes I would prefer not to break that too. This was basically the option of we don’t actually do the integration and instead just tell</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">The user how to use bifrost to do the deployment but leave it up to them do decide how to install it. so for me that was plan Z so we have a couple of letter</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">Go through first.</span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">These would essentially be a no op for kolla as we would simply have to document how to install bifrost which is covered</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Quite well as part of the bifrost project.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Sean.</span></p>
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