<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-13 19:05 GMT+08:00 Andrew Laski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@lascii.com" target="_blank">andrew@lascii.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016, at 03:51 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:<br>
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> On 02/12/2016 02:41 PM, Andrew Laski wrote:<br>
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> >> I think if the point of the experience for this API is to be<br>
> >> working out<br>
> >>> of the box. So I very much like the idea of a defaults change<br>
> >>> here to the thing we want to be easy. And an explicit option to<br>
> >>> disable it if you want to do something more complicated.<br>
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> > I think this creates a potential for confusing behavior for users.<br>
> > They're happily booting instances with no network on 2.1, as silly<br>
> > as that might be, and then decide "ooh I'd like to use fancy new<br>
> > flag foo which is available in 2.35". So they add the flag to their<br>
> > request and set the version to 2.35 and suddenly multiple things<br>
> > change about their boot process because they missed that 2.24(or<br>
> > whatever) changed a default behavior. If this fits within the scope<br>
> > of microversions then users will need to expect that, but it's<br>
> > something that would be likely to trip me up as a user of the API.<br>
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> I agree - that's always been the trade-off with microversions. You<br>
> never get surprises, but you can't move to a new feature in 2.X<br>
> without also having to get everything that was also introduced in<br>
> 2.X-1 and before. The benefit, of course, is that the user will have<br>
> changed something explicitly before getting the new behavior, and at<br>
> least has a chance of figuring it out.<br>
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</span>I completely agree with the idea that the form of a request/response<br>
could change in any number of backwards incompatible ways due to a<br>
microversion. That's easily discoverable through a published schema.<br>
What I'm struggling with is the idea that we would be comfortable<br>
changing the meaning of something, or a default behavior, with a<br>
microversion. There's no discoverability for that sort of change except<br>
to try it and see what happens or read the docs. But the potential for<br>
surprise is high and there's no immediate feedback on misusing the new<br>
API like there is if the form changes and JSONSchema validation kicks it<br>
back.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If our goal is the client can auto-generated through all the discovery mechanism, then I agree with you. At least for now, we can implement that. Thinking of why we have to face behaviour changes, it due to too complex behaviour in a simple API I guess...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
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