<div dir="ltr">What are the reasons for keeping /containers?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Hongbin Lu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hongbin.lu@huawei.com" target="_blank">hongbin.lu@huawei.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If the container managing part is removed, Magnum is just a COE deployment tool. This is really a scope-mismatch IMO. The middle ground I can see is to have
 a flag that allows operators to turned off the container managing part. If it is turned off, COEs are not managed by Magnum and requests sent to the /container endpoint will return a reasonable error code. Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Nesting /containers resource under /bays<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Provisioning the underlying infrastructure required by the Container Orchestration Engine (COE) and<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Instantiating the COE itself on top of said infrastructure from step #1.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Anything further regarding Magnum interfacing or interacting with containers starts to get into a gray area that could easily evolve into:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Potential race conditions between Magnum and the designated COE and<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Would create design & implementation overhead and debt that could bite us in the long run seeing how all COE’s operate & are based off various different paradigms in terms of describing & managing
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Not to mention, the recreation of functionality around managing containers in Magnum seems redundant in nature as this is the very reason to want to use a COE in the first place – because it’s
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If there is low-hanging fruit in terms of common functionality across
<b>all</b> COE’s, then those generic capabilities <i>could</i> be abstracted and integrated into Magnum, but these have to be carefully examined beforehand to ensure true parity exists for the capability across all COE’s.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">However, I still worry that going down this route toes the line that Magnum should and could be a part of the managing container story to some degree – which
 again should be the sole responsibility of the COE, not Magnum.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Hongbin
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Nesting /containers resource under /bays</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In short, the container IDs assigned by Magnum are independent of the container IDs assigned by Docker daemon. Magnum do the IDs mapping
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If users create a container through Magnum endpoint, Magnum will do the followings:</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">      <span> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Generate
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 Docker Swarm API to create a container, with its hostname equal to the generated uuid.</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">      <span> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Call
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 the container whose hostname is equal to the provided uuid, record its “docker_id” that is the ID assigned by native tool.</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 In this case, the created resources are not managed by Magnum and won’t be accessible through Magnum’s endpoints.</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best regards,</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#212121">From:</span></b><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#212121"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#212121">Kyle
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>January-14-16 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Nesting /containers resource under /bays</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 in the json request body (this is not supported in CLI, but it is an easy add).</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">​<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 I prefer not to do that if there are alternatives or it can be work around.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;background:white">IMO, it
 sets a limitation that a container must have a bay, which might not be the case in future. For example, we might add a feature that creating a container will automatically create a bay. If a container must have a bay on creation, such feature is impossible.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Hongbin
 Lu <<a href="mailto:hongbin.lu@huawei.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">hongbin.lu@huawei.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Nesting /containers resource under /bays</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Jamie,</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I would like to clarify several things.</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">First, a container uuid is intended to be unique globally (not within individual cluster). If you create a container with duplicated
 uuid, the creation will fail regardless of its bay. Second, you are in control of the uuid of the container that you are going to create. In Rest API, you can set the “uuid” field in the json request body (this is not supported in CLI, but it is an easy add).
 If a uuid is provided, Magnum will use it as the uuid of the container (instead of generating a new uuid).</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">For the idea of nesting container resource, I prefer not to do that if there are alternatives or it can be work around. IMO, it sets
 a limitation that a container must have a bay, which might not be the case in future. For example, we might add a feature that creating a container will automatically create a bay. If a container must have a bay on creation, such feature is impossible.</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best regards,</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#212121">From:</span></b><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#212121"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#212121">Jamie
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>January-13-16 4:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[openstack-dev] [magnum] Nesting /containers resource under /bays</span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">I've recently been gathering feedback about the Magnum API and one of the things that people commented on​ was the global /containers endpoints. One
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">It takes a container ID which is intended to be unique within that individual cluster. Perhaps this doesn't matter, considering the surface for hash
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Out[15]: 2378620.<a href="tel:6298183016" value="+16298183016" target="_blank">6298183016</a></span><span style="color:#212121"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">The main reason I questioned this is that we're not in control of how the hashes are created whereas each Docker node or Swarm cluster will pick a new
 ID under collisions. We don't have that guarantee when aggregating across.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">The use case that was outlined appears to be aggregation and reporting. That can be done in a different manner than programmatic access to single containers.​<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Nesting a container resource under its parent bay would mitigate both of these issues:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">/bays/{uuid}/containers/{uuid}​<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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