<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 January 2016 at 20:07, Kyle Mestery <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mestery@mestery.com" target="_blank">mestery@mestery.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span>On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Doug Wiegley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dougwig@parksidesoftware.com" target="_blank">dougwig@parksidesoftware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I don’t think it ninja merged. It had plenty of reviews, and was open during international hours. I don’t have any issue there.<br>
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I don’t like the crazy early meeting, so I set out to prove it didn’t matter:<br>
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Average attendance before rotating: 20.7 people<br>
Average attendance on Monday afternoons (U.S. time): 20.9<br>
Average attendance on Tuesday morning (U.S. time): 23.7<br>
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Stupid data, that’s not what I wanted to see.<br>
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I haven’t yet correlated people to which meeting time yet, but attendance was slightly up during the crazy early hated time, across the 1.25 years it was running (started 9/9/14). This is just people saying something; lurkers can just read the logs.<br>
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Data is from eavesdrop meeting logs, if anyone else wants to crunch it.<br>
<br></blockquote></span><div>Since it's ridiculous to assume people are required to attend this meeting, one easy solution to this would be to go back to the rotating meeting and have a different chair for the Tuesday morning PST meeting. I think rotating chairs for this meeting would be a good idea for a multitude of reasons (spreads the pain, lets others have a chance at the pulpit, grooms future meeting leaders, etc.).<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>With this suggestion you seem to imply that I only dropped the biweekly schedule because I didn't want to run the Tuesday ones, and that's unfair :)</div><div><br></div><div>Albeit I am not overly happy to wake up at 5.30am (in my timezone), I have done it so far because I believe it's my duty. That said, when I see that the nearly the same people show up (and meaningfully contribute) at both, then I'd rather have the majority of us have a "simpler" life.</div><div><br></div><div>I have never been a fan of the biweekly schedule because it incentivises people not to turn up half the time (I certainly wouldn't have an incentive to wake up at ~6am if I didn't have to chair the meeting), however certain topics are only discussed once, and missing a meeting is a missed opportunity to actively contribute during meeting hours.</div><div><br></div><div>Bear in mind that no-one is taking away the opportunity from people to contribute in the openstack-neutron channel and/or offline on the ML. I personally rely on it quite a bit.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Armando</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Kyle<br></div><div><div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks,<br>
doug<br>
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> On Jan 12, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Tony Breeds <<a href="mailto:tony@bakeyournoodle.com" target="_blank">tony@bakeyournoodle.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 01:27:30PM +0100, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote:<br>
>> Agreed with Gary on behalf of my European compatriots. (Note that I<br>
>> *personally* +1’d the patch because I don’t mind, doing late hours anyway;<br>
>> but it’s sad it was ninja merged without giving any chance for those from<br>
>> affected timezones to express their concerns).<br>
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> So Ninja merged has a negative connotation that I refute.<br>
><br>
> I merged it. It was judgment error, and I apologise for that.<br>
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> * I found and read through the list thread.<br>
> * Saw only +1's yours included<br>
> - known you'd be affected I used your +1 as a barometer<br>
><br>
> My mistake was not noticing your request to leave the review open for longer.<br>
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> I also noted in my review that reverting it is pretty low cost to back it out<br>
> if needed.<br>
><br>
> I understand that the 'root cause' for this change was the yaml2ical issue that<br>
> stemmed from having 2 odd week in a row. We've fixed that [1]. I'm also<br>
> working a a more human concept of biweekly meeting in yaml2ical.<br>
><br>
> Tony<br>
> [1] the next time it could have been a problem is 2020/2021 ;P<br>
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